FreeBSD development seems lost

CShell said:
WHO is this mysterious person that is stopping YOU from running FreeBSD as a server?
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Proponents of PkgBase and other terrible ideas mainly. FreeBSD is going to be hit quite badly by this unfortunately and I would rather watch from the sidelines.
CShell said:
You are right ! I am switching to NetBSD !
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I have migrated most of my machines to OpenBSD. Quite happy so far.

I don't disagree with you about Wine being great tech, but I must admit, OpenBSD not supporting it, keeps the community a little more focused on computing rather than gaming.
 
I read a little further on in that netbsd zfs wiki.

"Known Problems

zfs is prone to full-system lockups. They seem to be related to heavyzfs activity, especially writing data or deleting files, while at thesame time there is memory pressure. It seems that the odds of alockup go up over time, suggesting a leak. Probably, the bug is in anerror or exception path. zfs works well, when it has not locked up."

Oh dear...
 
RetroComputingCollector said:
But the other server daemons don't? It was already manageable as it was.
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Except it wasn't. Ideally you want to have the whole base covered with tests that run in CI. Adding & running tests for the r* commands would be a waste of time and resources.

Most plaintext & insecure daemons could be moved to ports without problems.

This is not change for the sake of change. Stop being afraid of changes that will take FreeBSD to the next level.

And if this makes some people migrate to NetBSD so much better because it needs some love and I also care about NetBSD. But this complaining about everything attitude just piss off developers.
 
RetroComputingCollector said:
Getting rid of useful features does not bring anything to the next level.
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ftpd, telnetd, rsh, rscp, etc are sure useful on local networks, unthinkable today in the internet.

In any case, FreeBSD was till now a box with surprises, in base and in ports/packages, one always found something new and usable.

Now things are disappearing, C is being mixed with rust, one does not always understand why, perhaps there are good reasons.

But in spite of all, if the system changes and I do not feel well with it, I must move to other.

I just want to sit in front of a UNIX / BSD system and work as usual.

I preferred BSD to Linux because even the small differences of Linux to what I were used were disturbing.
 
covacat said:
at least we still have NIS
lol
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The industry has abandoned NIS. Sun replaced NIS with NIS+. Oracle has moved on to LDAP.

Personally, I replaced my NIS on FreeBSD with OpenLDAP + Kerberos. It works just as well and is more secure.

NIS is scheduled for removal.

For telnet and ftp, I have ported the FreeBSD daemons to ports. Just install the ports instead.

BTW some Linux vendors we use at $JOB have removed telnet and ftp. Others have removed vi (vim) for nano. Us old dogs may use the old stuff but the kids won't. Most of my customers don't know what vi is. Nor do they know what directories are -- they call them folders. It's the world we live in. Get used to it.
 
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How bad can it be? Apple maps bad? 🤣
 
cy@ said:
BTW some Linux vendors we use at $JOB have removed telnet and ftp. Others have removed vi (vim) for nano. Us old dogs may use the old stuff but the kids won't. Most of my customers don't know what vi is. Nor do they know what directories are -- they call them folders. It's the world we live in. Get used to it.
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I was just reading a TheRegister article: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/freebsd-development-seems-lost.99535/page-3#post-720777 and it was talking about how the BSDs are good for business because they move slowly. What if a bunch of businesses are using these old programs (that are still good, old=/=bad) and they suddenly can't anymore because "Linux got rid of it, why doesn't FreeBSD do it". Linux is not a good example for anything, besides possibly a research kernel.
 
covacat said:
used to use it more when i ran diskless boxes.
not much now
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Here for the same purpose.
I have a computer with two mirrored zfs disks, but no OS.
I boot with PXE and mount the root from my Desktop.

The biggest problem is the case, small tower, but too big, with Intel atom main board.
I would like to have a smaller case that looks more like a NAS, board with ecc RAM.
 
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