This is kind of why I've been making noise about wi-fi roaming... Just the fact that FreeBSD Foundation wants to make use of KDE - that serves as the impetus to get basics (like wifi) right. If wifi becomes reliable from command-line, then slapping on KDE (or any other GUI) will naturally follow. And everything I said about wi-fi in this post - that applies to GPUs, as well.
Whilst we may have disagreed with the specific aspect of WiFi that needs to be fixed, I wholeheartedly agree with you here. Running ahead to sticking a GUI ontop of a subsystem that isn't quite in place may actually confuse the debugging process. All a user will see is "something broke" rather than the specific part of the WiFi stack that needs a little work. And yep, same with GPU (which is why startx is a good tool to use initially before jumping to i.e sddm).
Rather than waste time on Linux as a desktop, many people do recommend just using Windows or macOS. And I would tend to agree. And sadly, FreeBSD is even further behind Linux in the desktop "race". Luckily FreeBSD has way better aspects outside of UI.
Sorry but no. Windows is spyware crap.
I would be very confused if you didn't. But the very fact that you are on a forum focused on discussing FreeBSD means you are probably a more technical user / enthusiast / developer than the masses that would be considered non-technical users.
If it makes it a lot slower and require a lot more memory than there are more reasons against it.
I don’t find Linux more “user friendly” than FreeBSD.Awww someone's gonna lose nerd points and cool cookies because FreeBSD will finally be more user friendly..
Awww.
I am new to FreeBSD as I have said before. In my experience FreeBSD is only a desktop system since that is the only way I've ever used it. I'm pretty sure that FreeBSD with Mizuma has more supported Steam titles than Mac. So I do believe there is much more potential as a desktop system than you suggest. Also Alexander does exceptional work on Mizuma for Steam Epic Gog and other platforms. And of course the wine development team regarding games. Also there are many emulators that work very well. In my experience FreeBSD excels in gaming.
I was joking about gamers, but ok
I'm not against improving FreeBSD on the desktop. If someone wants to work on that, great! If someone wants to give the foundation a M$ for desktop work, even better.
There are many good arguments one can make in favor of or against various desktop OSes, but "is spyware crap" is not one.
It's literally spyware crap with Copilot and Recall making screenshots of everything.
I think we can safely assume that FreeBSD won't ever be classed as user-friendly in our lifetime. It is too far behind even Linux in this aspect.
I find FreeBSD more simpler and less complex than Linux, so I think that FreeBSD is very much user-friendly than Linux, at least it has a good handbook where on Linux you could get lost easily.
We might because we appreciate simplicity and documentation but I think getting the wider majority of people to agree with us will be difficult.
Indeed!
This summarises it well. And although adding the option for KDE in the installer was fairly minimal work, now needing to maintain this (effectively incomplete) port specifically to cater to inflated user-expectations is where the time impact will arise from.
You can always sponsor yourself for a position in Core so your voice can be heard and drive Freebsd towards the direction you like.
