Feedback please: foundation of a laptop and desktop work group

Jose said:
Yeah, I've looked at that. That's one hairy piece of shell, man!
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hey there everyone, just my 2 cents of thoughts, seeing the number of posts regarding support for USB 3 and greater displayport adaptors on the forums, mailing list and freebsd subreddit and recently coming into contact with a friend of mine who really would like to try freebsd on his laptop but couldn't due to lack of support for his DP usb 3 adaptor, it would really great if it can get added to the scope of the project
 
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i think( and some other people in the thread have mentioned) a live iso build that can be just put on an usb and booted with a lightweight gui like xfce or lxqt with some common desktop utilities like a web browser will be really great for desktop users migrating from user friendly desktop linux distros like linux mint to freebsd as the first hand on experience can be less daunting for them and they can slowly build all the info that can be helpful for them from there
i know many people who would like to try freebsd but just couldn't do it due to not having enough time to understand the freebsd installer and they just go with some "just work" desktop version
so yeah a live gui iso with a gui installer(only on that iso) will be really great
edit: on the note of desktop users migrating from linux, seeing as that ext4 is the most common filesystem on linux, and that many users migrating would first be trying freebsd along with their linux system rather then removing everything from the pc, migrating their data to another disk and their formatting their disk, ext4 write support will really really be appreciated
 
Hm, USB type-C port of my old ThinkPad P52 (capable of DisplayPort over USB-C) worked as DP when I tried before (early stable/14 with xorg). But not all USB-C port have DP over USB-C.
The USB-C ports "physically" supports ThunderBolt3 (Titan Ridge) but FreeBSD cannot use it as TB3. But possible to work as external PCIe when TB3 SSD is connected BEFORE POWERING ON, but as hot-plugin/out is not yet supported on FreeBSD in this case (at least by default), hot-plugout causes panic (needs plugging out after powered off).

Unfortunately, the person working on TB3 support (hselasky) has been passed away (RIP, Hans), the work was stalled.
But recently another developer popped in with this. Stay tuned!
 
USB-C and DisplayPort work without issues on FreeBSD, at least for me... I put together a machine from aftermarket parts a few years ago, and had no issues, even though my hardware was pretty new. And no issues with those even on a laptop I bought a couple years ago. Yeah, the laptop is a Lenovo.
 
hello, thanks for the responces but i wasn't talking about usb c to displayport adaptors rather display link usb 3 adaptors
additionally would you guys like to mention which driver is the one that them as udl driver only supports dl120 and dl160 based ones which are usb 2
usb3 are dlxxxx

additionally i made a typo, typed displayport instead of displaylink, sorry for that 😅
 
T-Aoki said:
Hm, USB type-C port of my old ThinkPad P52 (capable of DisplayPort over USB-C) worked as DP when I tried before (early stable/14 with xorg). But not all USB-C port have DP over USB-C.
The USB-C ports "physically" supports ThunderBolt3 (Titan Ridge) but FreeBSD cannot use it as TB3. But possible to work as external PCIe when TB3 SSD is connected BEFORE POWERING ON, but as hot-plugin/out is not yet supported on FreeBSD in this case (at least by default), hot-plugout causes panic (needs plugging out after powered off).

Unfortunately, the person working on TB3 support (hselasky) has been passed away (RIP, Hans), the work was stalled.
But recently another developer popped in with this. Stay tuned!
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See the related conversation on the mailing list: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers/2024-December/004107.html
 
Chris: Per your and Alice's emails, it seems that the effort is targeting a specific hardware platform (the foundation 1060 Framework 16).

1. Are would-be contributors expected to purchase one of these devices (it's not a burden, but I want to understand expectation)?
2. Is support for older hardware platforms a stated non-goal i.e. we're going to focus on the Foundation at the expense of all the hardware that came before?

Edit: Incorrect model (corrected later in thread).
 
vermaden said:
Could someone enlighten me what is a "hardware platform (the foundation 1060)"?

Thanks.
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This was a typo from my being up at an ungodly hour. It should be the "Framework 16" laptop.

It's a specific manufacturer and model (ostensibly) aligned on upgradability, openness and other BSD-adjacent values.

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My understanding is, that the Framework is an affordable reference model; there is no expectation what the community will buy or use. I'd also argue that the 13 and 16 are very much interchangeable.

I'd say there's hope that being able to point to an open manufacturer that offers devices that work well will generate more users willing to commit to FreeBSD as daily driver.

I've switched back to a Lenovo at the moment because my frame.work unfortunately is playing dead and I'm waiting for frame.work's support to get back to me. My x270 is old but damn that thing just keeps on going (looking at you with disappointment, 12th gen Intel...).

There's certainly a variety of notebook manufacturers and models that work well, though focusing on a particular model will allow us to have a handful of definitive models that work better than anything else so far.

Addon: missed your second question - this is conjecture on my part...My take is, that with focusing on more recent hardware, we should not be taking away from older systems that already work. It should give people more clarity though when they're looking for a system to buy that works.
 
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