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Well, MS released 6502 BASIC as Open Source, so, yeah, I guess?
Bringing BASIC back: Microsoft’s 6502 BASIC is now Open Source
They wouldn't have lost any money by releasing it as OSS. They only open-source projects that aren't useful to them (bundled Windows software that no-one buys a license just to use and is tied into Win32, ancient DOS versions) just so either the community can take ths place of paid coders, or just for preservation's sake.
 
They wouldn't have lost any money by releasing it as OSS. They only open-source projects that aren't useful to them (bundled Windows software that no-one buys a license just to use and is tied into Win32, ancient DOS versions) just so either the community can take ths place of paid coders, or just for preservation's sake.
Microsoft has evolved. As in, reasons to be frustrated with it are very different from what was relevant 20-plus years ago. Frustrations now bite in very different places.
 
Microsoft has evolved. As in, reasons to be frustrated with it are very different from what was relevant 20-plus years ago. Frustrations now bite in very different places.
I know, but just because they are doing other bad things doesn't mean they somehow support open source just because it isn't target #1 for them. Target #1 is the user now. As much as I hate RMS, he has been oddly prophetic.
 
I know, but just because they are doing other bad things doesn't mean they somehow support open source just because it isn't target #1 for them. Target #1 is the user now. As much as I hate RMS, he has been oddly prophetic.
Microsoft just takes advantage of Open Source to be able to bite at even more users. Ever hear of WSL? that stuff can run GNOME stuff on Windows, BTW. All the features you want! No charge! On Windows!

But, because it's Windows, the biting is gonna happen via privacy violations - you'll be logged into live.com every single time, and they will use that to figure out your real name. And if you use Google/Facebook-cum-Meta/LinkedIn to create password-less logins to other sites, this is how you give up your privacy to Microsoft. Yeah, freaking convenient to NOT use passwords and putting in effort to maintain 100-plus different passwords for everything. But - that convenience is the product for which you pay with your privacy.

No, thank you, I'm gonna stick to maintaining 100-plus passwords with an app.
 
But, because it's Windows, the biting is gonna happen via privacy violations - you'll be logged into live.com every single time, and they will use that to figure out your real name.

I sometimes wished for that seamless log-in for quick OneDrive uploads :p (pretty sure it isn't happening OS -> Firefox + 2FA)

There's a drop-down under Account settings somewhere that controls it; I sign into MS Store for codecs (and click the subtle apps-only option), and immediately change that setting to "apps have to ask to sign-in".
 
I sometimes wished for that seamless log-in for quick OneDrive uploads :p (pretty sure it isn't happening OS -> Firefox + 2FA)

There's a drop-down under Account settings somewhere that controls it; I sign into MS Store for codecs (and click the subtle apps-only option), and immediately change that setting to "apps have to ask to sign-in".
I know about those settings, I did my research, turns out Microsoft doesn't respect it when you try to change them away from defaults. Every single update I get, it sets those things right back to the defaults. I gave up trying to turn things off and stop the privacy leaks.
 
Microsoft has evolved. As in, reasons to be frustrated with it are very different from what was relevant 20-plus years ago. Frustrations now bite in very different places.
20+? I would love to see them Open Source Win 2003 ;)
Microsoft just takes advantage of Open Source to be able to bite at even more users. Ever hear of WSL? that stuff can run GNOME stuff on Windows, BTW. All the features you want! No charge! On Windows!
True, no charge for that, but now I get adds in the eFing Weather app 🤬
But, because it's Windows, the biting is gonna happen via privacy violations - you'll be logged into live.com every single time, and they will use that to figure out your real name. And if you use Google/Facebook-cum-Meta/LinkedIn to create password-less logins to other sites, this is how you give up your privacy to Microsoft. Yeah, freaking convenient to NOT use passwords and putting in effort to maintain 100-plus different passwords for everything. But - that convenience is the product for which you pay with your privacy.

No, thank you, I'm gonna stick to maintaining 100-plus passwords with an app.
I'm using this same handle and my real name on all sites I have acc on, but as passwords go I was always of opinion that nothing beats drawer full of post-it notes and well trained dog 😎
 
20+? I would love to see them Open Source Win 2003
ReactOS is supposed to be an Open Source implementation of Windows Server 2003...

True, no charge for that, but now I get adds in the eFing Weather app
That's what I mean when I say 'taking advantage' (instead of 'supporting'). Annoying ads? yeah, yeah, another Tuesday in the office when Microsoft is involved. Besides, I was being sarcastic with that WSL description.

I'm using this same handle and my real name on all sites I have acc on, but as passwords go I was always of opinion that nothing beats drawer full of post-it notes and well trained dog
Using real name is bad practice online. And - you may end up losing or misplacing the post-it notes. A phone, OTOH, is just way too important to lose or misplace. It's like your wallet or keys to your place - you put in all the effort you have into not losing it, and maintaining it.
 
For what it's worth, and I'm sure it's age related, I have almost nothing on my phone save ebooks that I read. Absolutely no financial information whatsoever. On the other hand, my wife, who is only a bit younger than me fits astyle' description and does almost everything with her phone.
 
ReactOS is supposed to be an Open Source implementation of Windows Server 2003...
I know about them for long time, and every now and then checking their progress, but never installed it. Perosnaly I had no need, all my boexen at ~/ are refurbished pro HPs so Win from my POV is not LIbre nor Open, but is free (gratis)

That's what I mean when I say 'taking advantage' (instead of 'supporting'). Annoying ads? yeah, yeah, another Tuesday in the office when Microsoft is involved. Besides, I was being sarcastic with that WSL description.
WSL is very useful to me because I can scp from my desktop (triple boot, FreeBSD, Alt and Win10, but no shared drives) to my Win11 laptop with WSL Debian and scp back to any OS when I reboot desktop. Not even samba is needed. Also, I know jack about building on Win, so my SDL Hercules is built and lives in WSL and I can access it from Win wx3270

Using real name is bad practice online.
I have nothing to hide, no online assets to protect and ~10 € in bank acc that is on my name. Only other thing that's registered to my name is appartement (flat) that I live in. If anyone wants to visit – welcome; if anyone tries to hack me – good luck; if ACABs want me - hiding under funny handle won't help 🤷‍♀️

And - you may end up losing or misplacing the post-it notes. A phone, OTOH, is just way too important to lose or misplace. It's like your wallet or keys to your place - you put in all the effort you have into not losing it, and maintaining it.
As one of my friends said in pre-cellphone days: "I don't have a phonebook, I keep all numbers on pieces of paper – If I loose my phonebook I'll loose all contact numbers, If I loose one piece of paper I'll loose only one number and I can call someone else to ask them about it" /q 😂
 
Passwords, calculator, music, random notes, address book, porn, photos, video shorts that I archived, airline apps, QR reader, Embiggen, texting, email, weather and surf forecast apps... And a few apps that I was frankly reluctant to install, but had to (because that's how gov't handouts are doled out). Not to mention the phone is what I use to get emails authentication codes in 2FA setups.

And I always tell people to use email (NOT phone device / number) to receive authentication codes. Use phone to check email, all right, but don't tie authentication to specific phone device. Secondary means of authentication as a backup - OK, use phone. But primary - it's gotta be email. Gotta be disconnected from the phone.

I do consider my Forums account an online asset. There's still plenty to do on a laptop for which a phone is just too small and clunky.
 
Passwords, calculator, music, random notes, address book, porn, photos, video shorts that I archived, airline apps, QR reader, Embiggen, texting, email, weather and surf forecast apps... And a few apps that I was frankly reluctant to install, but had to (because that's how gov't handouts are doled out). Not to mention the phone is what I use to get emails authentication codes in 2FA setups.

And I always tell people to use email (NOT phone device / number) to receive authentication codes. Use phone to check email, all right, but don't tie authentication to specific phone device. Secondary means of authentication as a backup - OK, use phone. But primary - it's gotta be email. Gotta be disconnected from the phone.

I do consider my Forums account an online asset. There's still plenty to do on a laptop for which a phone is just too small and clunky.
I’ll admit I do use Google Authenticator app; other than that I use my (old, old Redmi 6a) mostly as a phone, occasional SMS, clock/alarm-clock, checking weather (wunderground, because it gets data from the station 700m/2300ft from me) and as flash light, which I found to be most useful for spotting spider webs in the hidden corners, it flashes them out like UFOs on the mil grade radar 😁

But unfortunately, now it’s really the time for me to get a new phone, this one is already not usable any more, it constantly cries that there is no enough space, so I’ll have to cough out some $ for the newer model.

BTW, I’m not saving any porn anywhere, that what’s ^⇧[N|P] in browsers are invented for, right? 😉
 
I’ll admit I do use Google Authenticator app; other than that I use my (old, old Redmi 6a) mostly as a phone, occasional SMS, clock/alarm-clock, checking weather (wunderground, because it gets data from the station 700m/2300ft from me) and as flash light, which I found to be most useful for spotting spider webs in the hidden corners, it flashes them out like UFOs on the mil grade radar
Good stuff. A lot of things actually come down to "recovering in the future". Simple case VHS/Beta video tape: you have data, but can you recover it? How about at Palm Pilot? Try recovering. Google Auth: helps ensure security/validate things, but what if you lose the original 2FA bits? Hard to recover.
Text files are simple but unsecure. Using GPG or other encryption is good, but need to be able to recover.
 
Good stuff. A lot of things actually come down to "recovering in the future". Simple case VHS/Beta video tape: you have data, but can you recover it? How about at Palm Pilot? Try recovering. Google Auth: helps ensure security/validate things, but what if you lose the original 2FA bits? Hard to recover.
Text files are simple but unsecure. Using GPG or other encryption is good, but need to be able to recover.
My dear mer, I got what you are saying, but this post is pouring salt on my ad🗲hd wounds – I have in my cellar uncountable number of tapes full of ZX Spectrum code and programs that I still hope to recover and digitize one these days (or, more likely – years), not to mention aprox. same number of boxes full of 720 and 1,44 3.5" floppies for Atari ST...
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My Amiga can beat your Atari ST, easily!
If anyone wants to use retro hardware, NetBSD is fine for that. Maybe you meant the original OS's.

As for modern OS's, this is where 32bit SBC's (RISC & ARM [Raspberry Pi]) come in. While those are 8bit or additional 16bit computers, there needs to be no issue with running open source OS's those as well on SBC's. It's doable. There's emulation layers.

If I can run an Open Source OS on a 32bit SBC, I'll do this, instead of being reminded how clunky old PC components before 2003 were.
 
If anyone wants to use retro hardware, NetBSD is fine for that. Maybe you meant the original OS's.

As for modern OS's, this is where 32bit SBC's (RISC & ARM [Raspberry Pi]) come in. While those are 8bit or additional 16bit computers, there needs to be no issue with running open source OS's those as well on SBC's. It's doable. There's emulation layers.

If I can run an Open Source OS on a 32bit SBC, I'll do this, instead of being reminded how clunky old PC components before 2003 were.
How about building that Beowulf cluster out of those Amigas? 😂
 
And I always tell people to use email (NOT phone device / number) to receive authentication codes.
I learned that lesson from Sony; I bought a launch PS3, had 2FA back with the card breach thing, got a PS4, but lost my original 2FA phone number. To recover, Sony expects me to know the serial of the first PS3. Yeah that account is gone :p
 
I learned that lesson from Sony; I bought a launch PS3, had 2FA back with the card breach thing, got a PS4, but lost my original 2FA phone number. To recover, Sony expects me to know the serial of the first PS3. Yeah that account is gone :p
I learned the value of serial numbers on my last job, it was used to track some computers I set up. That need to pay attention to serial numbers came in handy at home, when we learned that the TV box that we had was incompatible wtih Comcast's upgraded infrastructure. Comcast told us that they want to either charge us for an extra TV box that was not returned. Asking Comcast for the serial number of the box they actually want returned cleared up a LOT of confusion on everybody's part. Turned out Comcast was sending TV signal to the wrong box (which we had, but ended up not using).
 
How about building that Beowulf cluster out of those Amigas? 😂
They can if they want. To do it just to, ok, but any cluster with legacy or below 32bit hardware needs to have at least SBC's on that system. The energy usage on an SBC would be much smaller.

Comcast told us...
Sure...
Asking Comcast for the serial number of the box they actually want returned cleared up a LOT of confusion on everybody's part.
Sure they did. They were testing you, so they could keep money. Comcast Xfinity is the most dishonest company. They knew or didn't care on their end. They're always ripping people off. Good thing Comcast isn't a bank, commercial banks have acted like that with customers too. Sometimes it's an honest mistake, but in Comcast's case, 98% chance, it's not.

AT&T and other companies don't behave like that.
 
Sure they did. They were testing you, so they could keep money. Comcast Xfinity is the most dishonest company. They knew or didn't care on their end. They're always ripping people off. Good thing Comcast isn't a bank, commercial banks have acted like that with customers too. Sometimes it's an honest mistake, but in Comcast's case, 98% chance, it's not.

AT&T and other companies don't behave like that.
Oh, no, ATT has its share of ripping people off. It's just a matter of paying attention to the contract and what you're actually paying for. Both Comcast and ATT try to upsell to people. But if you pay attention to the contract, and know what you're getting, what you actually are paying for, and don't lose sight of that, you'll be surprised at what can get fixed for free.

I once asked ATT to move my phone number ( and plan ) to a new device I bought. Normally, in such cases, ATT tries to sell you a new phone and a more expensive plan, and to get you lost in details and throw sand in your eyes to draw your attention to benefits you get if you switch to this and that, and pay through the nose some time afterwards. In my case, I was happy with my plan, and had an ATT-compatible device (which I was happy with, as well). So all that was needed was to reprogram details of my plan onto the sim card that was compatible with my new device. People at the ATT shop were flabbergasted at me, but ended up doing the reprogramming for free.

I ended up keeping my number and my plan, AND had a brand-new device to use them with!
 
https://gitgud.io/u3shit/xserver/-/blob/xorg-server-1.20.9/os/inputthread.c?ref_type=tags#L301 (random GitLab that happened to have a convenient os/inputthread.c) mentions:



Anyone know how Wayland, Windows, or macOS work in that regard? It doesn't exactly sound efficient to endlessly loop on CPU(?) waiting for a device until it does something. What's the server main thread run at and its limit?

I'm looking for more details about this. It doesn't sound efficient with Xorg doing the loop, but apparently it's been doing this for a while (or as long as it's existed?).

Are DEs (particularly GNOME) using Wayland doing something similar?


I'm thinking it's not optimal to loop to wait for events, and that Wayland was designed to do something different? (might explain why the cursor is on realtime/kms and other stuff) This has me currently only entertaining Wayland off-Windows.
 
I'm thinking it's not optimal to loop to wait for events, and that Wayland was designed to do something different? (might explain why the cursor is on realtime/kms and other stuff) This has me currently only entertaining Wayland off-Windows.
Wayland compositors do the same. You can see in wl_display_run.

All servers and interactive graphical programs on a general purpose computer have a main loop. Often it is just hidden and you fill out function pointers, etc. But it is there. What they don't do though is busy spin. Instead they will select(), poll() for a waiting event to process.

If you make a while(1) { } tight-loop in a web browser, you will see it crashes the page / browser tab. This is because execution is not returning back to the browser event pump (i.e its main loop). Javascript in browsers is ironically not multi-threaded.
 
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