What do you think about the foundation of a FUG ?

The FreeBSD forums is actually a fairly decent community. Weirdly, even though Linux is overall more popular, the fragmented and changing nature of it means that forum communities don't seem to build up so well. FreeBSD hit that balance really well.

So perhaps we could have FreeBSD User Group Only For Forums (FUGOFF).

Perhaps a series of remote talks from members about what they have been working on for a while. Perhaps also a quick intro too.
 
kpedersen said:
The FreeBSD forums is actually a fairly decent community. Weirdly, even though Linux is overall more popular, the fragmented and changing nature of it means that forum communities don't seem to build up so well. FreeBSD hit that balance really well.

So perhaps we could have FreeBSD User Group Only For Forums (FUGOFF).

Perhaps a series of remote talks from members about what they have been working on for a while. Perhaps also a quick intro too.
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I can't speak a good english,even if,I think,I can write it decently. Anyway,you touched a good point. To break down linguistic differences, an artificial intelligence algorithm could be used to translate the language spoken in real time into another one. These days are coming out some interesting tools that do that,like this one :

github.com

GitHub - SamirPaulb/real-time-voice-translator: A desktop application that uses AI to translate voice between languages in real time, while preserving the speaker's tone and emotion.

A desktop application that uses AI to translate voice between languages in real time, while preserving the speaker's tone and emotion. - SamirPaulb/real-time-voice-translator
github.com github.com
 
ziomario said:
I'm askin to some old Linux "friends" here,where I live,to understand where the FLUG (FreeBSD Linux User Group) can be hosted. I / we can't spend money renting a room. Today's life is too expensive.
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Being part of a LUG in the early years I can state something I think. Lugs back then, not only the one I was in, started in the late 90's, I think it was 98 to be precise. It was the nl.linux.org one, NLO in short.

Mostly students b.t.w. with some exceptions like me and a few others.

Having user groups is a good way to help others start with an os but also with lots of things around it.

Someone mentioned the NLuug group. I a happy they are still around. I know some people there, even irl and hope they will keep
up the good work.

Thoughest job in that field? Keep building up a new staff of volunteers imho
 
ziomario said:
I can't speak a good english,even if,I think,I can write it decently. Anyway,you touched a good point. To break down linguistic differences, an artificial intelligence algorithm could be used to translate the language spoken in real time into another one. These days are coming out some interesting tools that do that,like this one :

github.com

GitHub - SamirPaulb/real-time-voice-translator: A desktop application that uses AI to translate voice between languages in real time, while preserving the speaker's tone and emotion.

A desktop application that uses AI to translate voice between languages in real time, while preserving the speaker's tone and emotion. - SamirPaulb/real-time-voice-translator
github.com github.com
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I'm working on this idea. If the translator works good,I can create a FUG,hosting it in a virtual room with people speaking different languages. This technology is being born now. It's hard for me to find users interested to FreeBSD in the small area where I live,but Internet is so big. In this case is easier,but only if I find a good realtime language translator. Can someone wants to collaborate ? For the moment it does not work. I'm tryng to fix it.

Code: 
# virtualenv -p python3 env

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  × Building wheel for pyaudio (pyproject.toml) did not run successfully.
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yes,at the moment I'm trying to configure it under Linux. But when it will work,I will try to configure it under FreeBSD.
 
Y'know, FreeBSD does have a Discord server... you can create your own or ask to create a separate channel for a specific user group - be it Italian, Korean, Chinese, Philpino, German, you name it. I think that's easier than trying to set up your own space starting with an IPv4/IPv6 address, VPS provider, web design, coming up with the money to rent that hardware, and what not.

Yeah, Discord has its downsides:
  • Low bar of entry attracts the wrong audience.
  • It takes some self-discipline to stay in the channel for your user group and not engage in flame wars.
  • It does take a fair amount of metal to even run properly - I have a laptop with 8 GB of RAM and 13.1-RELEASE (EoL, IK, but 13.2-RELEASE seems to be problematic), and Discord struggles to run properly in a browser there.
The upside is that Discord has a LOT of things (primarily technical, on their end of things) already taken care of and ironed out.
 
astyle said:
Y'know, FreeBSD does have a Discord server... you can create your own or ask to create a separate channel for a specific user group - be it Italian, Korean, Chinese, Philpino, German, you name it. I think that's easier than trying to set up your own space starting with an IPv4/IPv6 address, VPS provider, web design, coming up with the money to rent that hardware, and what not.

Yeah, Discord has its downsides:
  • Low bar of entry attracts the wrong audience.
  • It takes some self-discipline to stay in the channel for your user group and not engage in flame wars.
  • It does take a fair amount of metal to even run properly - I have a laptop with 8 GB of RAM and 13.1-RELEASE (EoL, IK, but 13.2-RELEASE seems to be problematic), and Discord struggles to run properly in a browser there.
The upside is that Discord has a LOT of things (primarily technical, on their end of things) already taken care of and ironed out.
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Two points are for me important :

1) I don't want to delegate to Discord or to any other social network the creation and the respect of the rules,that I want to concord with the founders of our new social network.

2) I want to implement the new online speech translator algorithm based on the A.I. So,based to this,one talks in his native language and the other users understand and speak in their native languages. I don't know if Discord has this feature,since it is being born these days.
 
ziomario said:
Two points are for me important :

1) I don't want to delegate to Discord or to any other social network the creation and the respect of the rules,that I want to concord with the founders of our new social network.

2) I want to implement the new online speech translator algorithm based on the A.I. So,based to this,one talks in his native language and the other users understand and speak in their native languages. I don't know if Discord has this feature,since it is being born these days.
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You can create your own Discord server and set the rules. Then it's your job to enforce them. Discord merely provides the tools for that. If you want a server for Italian-speaking FreeBSD User Group, Discord will let you do that, no problem.

Firefox and Chrome do offer in-browser translation features for text, powered by Google Translate. Oh, and I think Discord is available in several languages, but that is an unverified claim right now.
 
Google did a job with the translators, but IMHO there are better ones. DeepL is good, but lately I found LanguageTool, and I am very impressed with it:

languagetool.org

Online Grammar, Style & Spell Checker - LanguageTool

LanguageTool is a free grammar checker and paraphraser for English, Spanish, and 30 other languages. Instantly check your text for grammar and style mistakes.
languagetool.org languagetool.org
It is also possible to run your own instance on your network for those who want more privacy.
 
hansw said:
Google did a job with the translators, but IMHO there are better ones. DeepL is good, but lately I found LanguageTool, and I am very impressed with it:

languagetool.org

Online Grammar, Style & Spell Checker - LanguageTool

LanguageTool is a free grammar checker and paraphraser for English, Spanish, and 30 other languages. Instantly check your text for grammar and style mistakes.
languagetool.org languagetool.org
It is also possible to run your own instance on your network for those who want more privacy.
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maybe I haven't been clear. I'm not talking about the old generation of translators,the so called text to speech. The new generation of translators are based on the IA. You speak in your language,the AI will translate it trasparently and the other user will understand in his language and he will do the reverse operation,in real time. You should not write anything. You should only speak as naturally as you can.
 
Discord (and like tools) has one important downside for me; searching to find information inside it is a pretty abysmal experience. I'm guessing the creators are from the mobile generation, and used to years and years of doomscrolling. As long as a better channel (say like forums - like this one) for a subject exist I will use that instead.
 
tingo said:
Discord (and like tools) has one important downside for me; searching to find information inside it is a pretty abysmal experience. I'm guessing the creators are from the mobile generation, and used to years and years of doomscrolling. As long as a better channel (say like forums - like this one) for a subject exist I will use that instead.
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Yeah, well, Discord is a 'Live environment', in a way. In computing, search algorithms (even Google's) are meant for static information. Forums are 'static' that way. Yeah, people post to the Forums a LOT, but not so fast that Google's indexers cannot keep up.

Imagine a conveyor belt with beer bottles. That's Forums for you. You can, with some effort, find a specific bottle if you like.

Now imagine you're at a home game for FC Schalke at Veltins Arena... That stadium has taps all over the place that feed from 3 vats on the underground level. Try finding a specific liter of beer in a system like that. That's what searching in Discord is like. You can use the search feature in a specific channel, but it's like trying to troubleshoot the beer pipeline at that stadium. Just understanding the technical limitations of the environment tells you what you can reasonably expect out of it.
 
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