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wolffnx :
wolffnx said:
the only bad thing maybe is the new hardware, or old problems(like the hdmi audio not work in some intel cards)
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I fear I ran unto this old audio problem.
I did read around the forum a bit, it seems that its a long standing problem, I even found the guy who left for debian because of sound problems.
I don't want to be the next one, but if I can't resolve the issue I'm afraid I must switch back to some Linux distro again...
I did post a thread on this, and I'm rooting for myself to make it.

Heheh, I also read the thread about FreeBSD to become a "server only", no desktop os, because desktops are for p*ssyes only :))
I imagine some hardcore "serverist" saying:
"What, son? You want sound? Go back to your whimsy MacOS, FreeBSD is for real man only"
:))
 
I'm sorry. I just could not resist.

May you not let foolish tongues influence you.
FreeBSD is really good It's so good it seems like it works miracles.

P.S. The use of the word "evangelist" refering to technology advocacy is so common place. Even the word "advocacy" in this context is purely another figure of speech.

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You came with your Kamehame wave and we got scared. It's best to focus your energy on technical matters here.
That feeling of not knowing why you like FreeBSD... It's because of the red color. Simple but not primitive.
I always thought Attila was something like mythology. I never bothered to know until today, the Scourge of God.
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YYY__ said:
That feeling of not knowing why you like FreeBSD... It's because of the red color
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Yah, it may be mesmerising... red on black, or red on white is always beautiful, but the horns are pretty too :))
People of the far east (the kind who see aura) say that horn like patterns above the head are the sign of upper chakras opening. (excuse my french, I felt it needed some nudge on the positive direction in the covert religious domain :)))

On the serious side, the thing about FreeBSD that's appealing to me is, that it feels more coherent, its more like a "whole" operating system, steered by a devoted committee, as opposed to Linux which feels more like a patchy, bits thrown together
thing. And of course aesthetics play a role too, the FreeBSD site does show some artistic coherence and simplicity in terms of colors and the looks of it, the Handbook, the documentation is straightforward and well organized. All these things matter.

:D Indeed, Attila is the Scourge of God.
It warms my heart to this day, that back in that time we were viewed by the back then "religious" people as "nomad barbarians", yet we called our king the Scourge of God, perhaps a godless horde of thiefs wouldnt name their leader with such "religious" terms.
 
YYY__ said:
You came with your Kamehame wave and we got scared. It's best to focus your energy on technical matters here.
That feeling of not knowing why you like FreeBSD... It's because of the red color. Simple but not primitive.
I always thought Attila was something like mythology. I never bothered to know until today, the Scourge of God.
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Incorrect references to Hawaii and its history kinda get me... ?

The real deal Kamehameha I frankly looked like a Big Kahuna.
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The Goku attack - it was so named because the mangaka who created the Dragon Ball series got a suggestion from his wife... And that one suggestion, I do disagree with.

BTW, in Street Fighter, the exact same technique was called 'Hadou Ken'... which I think is much more sensible...
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yuripv79 said:
I read that "fix it or i will switch to linux" quite a lot these days, sadly that kind of "threats" does not get the bugs fixed
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What kind of condescending thinking are you indulging yourself in?
That's not the right way to think about it. You forced me into the position of a blackmailer.
Firstly that wasn't my intention, secondly it doesn't even work that way either.
Either somebody knows some solution to the problem, and posts it (i am lucky), or is it a problem never herd of and needs investigating (which I don't think) in this case it takes long time, maybe in the next release yada yada.., or Is an old unresolved problem nobody cared fixing/couldnt be fixed/ no resources for this (most probable).
No amount of psihological pressure will change this.

All what I meant is, although I like FreeBSD, if I cant manage to resolve my issue I do have to make a move to another OS, because currently this is my only laptop, I do not have other, and I do need sound to be working.
Did you notice, how I phrased it that its "my" issue, and "I resolve" it?
I am the one trying to resolve it by asking for help first of all, and not trying to trick you with some cheap blackmailing.

Or put it in another way, lets say a week passes by and nobody answers my question, and I happen to post something among the lines "maybe a port of some linux drivers could help, idk, anybody any ideas?"
Should I think that you think, that I think: "Whootchy! work for me slaves!"

You see, maybe its not a healthy approach you took, it leads to these kind of things...
(again my 2c)
 
yuripv79 said:
You are overreacting
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Strangely enough, I do agree with you on this one.
I deliberately use exaggeration to prove a point, maybe its a kind of professional harm, as a programmer this kind of mindset, to search for edge cases, for extremities facilitates debugging code.
But hear me out.
This short sentence of yours:
yuripv79 said:
I read that "fix it or i will switch to linux" quite a lot these days, sadly that kind of "threats" does not get the bugs fixed
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Does leave some bad taste in your mouth, may it be minor thing, it generates these train of thought:
(take it as an analysis, starting out only from this sentence)
"if you do not do this or that I'll threaten you that I would do this or that": this pops out the idea of blackmailing.
"we heard it many times, but this wont resolve anything": this pops out the thought "we are condemning this behavior, you are doing it, we are letting you know this wont bring any results to you"
In a result I became the "blackmailer", the one using dubious techniques to achieve its goals. This triggered me.

Maybe there were many before me wording the idea "if this bug is not going to be resolved, eg. I must live with it, than I'll return to Linux, at least there my computer is functioning on a basic level", then when on top of this they hear on the forum this sentence of yours, they think to themselves : "Well, not only I have this problem, I also get attacked/annoyed on the forum, one more reason to leave".

From this point of view, it may not be a wise way of advocacy to say this...
 
Everke said:
Does leave some bad taste in your mouth, may it be minor thing, it generates these train of thought
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OK, endless "I'll have to switch back to linux/macos/windows" leaves same bad taste in your mouth and generates another, but still not very pleasant train of thought. I read it tens of times on these forums only and reacted only once, trying to turn it into a joke.
 
Hey, I say what hurts me, you say what hurts you, it's only fair.
Maybe FreeBSD _is_ lagging behind on hardware support, that's why you experience this.
Many people would choose FreeBSD because its design choices, but leave because they are left handicapped by buggy drivers. That seems to be the harsh reality.
You see I am not against you, I do not enjoy arguing just for the sake of argument, I even feel your pain.
But these are my two cents.
I am glad, that I am allowed to express my thoughts here, and glad to receive yours...
 
Hehehh...
I do feel I am The Scourge of God on this forum, may the great king smile upon my soul...
I am the nomad barbarian, who came among believers, shooting arrows left and right, may them leave no long lasting wounds!
 
astyle said:
Being uninformed is not a crime, but making others rue that fact - is.

Just my 2 cents...
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Not knowing the laws doesn't exempt you from them. I must have lost the track of the conversation. It's starting to be normal for me on the forums.:confused:

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Everke said:
wolffnx :

I fear I ran unto this old audio problem.
I did read around the forum a bit, it seems that its a long standing problem, I even found the guy who left for debian because of sound problems.
I don't want to be the next one, but if I can't resolve the issue I'm afraid I must switch back to some Linux distro again...
I did post a thread on this, and I'm rooting for myself to make it.

Heheh, I also read the thread about FreeBSD to become a "server only", no desktop os, because desktops are for p*ssyes only :))
I imagine some hardcore "serverist" saying:
"What, son? You want sound? Go back to your whimsy MacOS, FreeBSD is for real man only"
:))
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yes, maybe is you search deep in the internet found the solution, but in some things there is a big "no"
but...is you can make a solution(in this case use a old nvidia card with hdmi) I stick with FreeBSD
 
I don't see the point in this thread.

The only word which can be interpreted as religious is "Evangelist". This word isn't necessarily religious, as it means to promote anything in an evangelist but not necessarily religious fanaticism. A mailing list includes that term within in it. The only possible issue is the name of this thread, which suggests religion, despite that a mailing list includes that term within that.

freebsd-advocacy FreeBSD Evangelism
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Advocacy​

sidetone said:
I don't see the point in this thread. … A mailing list …
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Excellent!

I was waiting for someone to make the link between those two things:
  1. evangelism
  2. <https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-advocacy/>, which is explicitly for FreeBSD evangelism.
January 2022: FreeBSD committer (and Core Team alumnus) Greg 'groggy' Lehey (a.k.a. grOogle and groOgle) pleaded for help. The freebsd-advocacy list got him nowhere.

The problem is not zero interest in advocacy! The same email to freebsd-doc gained no response.

May 2022: a complaint about spamming, to freebsd-doc, did not gain the courtesy of an acknowledgement. I found and resolved the complaint fifteen months later (a commit, to the src tree, with same-day approval from Colin Percival).

Simply:
  • some important FreeBSD-provided lists are almost completely ignored (and I don't foresee a cure for the malaise).
Summer 2023: the FreeBSD home page was an embarrassment. Discounting the 2020 item (a discussion with Deb Goodkin, The FreeBSD Foundation), the Project had:
  • just one press item in 2021 (Tim Anderson, The Register)
  • three items in 2022 (Liam Proven, The Register)
  • zero in 2023 ? — like, worldwide, there was no uninvited press interest in FreeBSD.
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I wrote, privately, about this a few months ago. If I can find the email, I might share it (minus headers).


Now, thankfully:

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I think a "senior director of advocacy and community" should be a real member of the FreeBSD forums and not a virtual avatar posting one-way and top-down messages "Not open for further replies". The "blog Open For Work" does not look to me as a blog. It's more a self marketing homepage. And I...
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Everke said:
Hehehh...
I do feel I am The Scourge of God on this forum, may the great king smile upon my soul...
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google "evangelism meaning"

Then tell us it has nothing to do with religion, almost always of the christian variety.

Some people find it - and its sidekick 'prosletising' - odious.

googling "evangelism vs advocacy" leaves a little wriggle room for advocacy, perhaps.

With mailing lists, one has a choice to participate or ignore. If there were a specific religion or even philosophy forum, we'd have that choice too.

I don't feel that sneaking it into the off-topic forum isolates it sufficiently from those who find such content odious.
 
It's ridiculous that a definition has to be posted. Many definition are religious, but all are not.

Evangelical
5: marked by militant or crusading zeal : EVANGELISTIC
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Evangelism
noun
evan·ge·lism i-ˈvan-jə-ˌli-zəm
2: militant or crusading zeal
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In the mailing list, it means the non religious term.

It's a good choice for the mailing list description, but a bad choice of words for the title of this thread.
 
Am I the only one who has felt that viral linux energy in the initial message?
I haven't seen a single reference to "I chose FreeBSD because of X and because of Z and I'd like to convince others."
It seems more like a call for gentrification for no apparent reason or technical basis. There is no organic motive behind it other than the exaltation of the spirit. I chose a new operating system and I want to shout it out to the world.
I think we have the introductory thread for this and I agree that there isn't enough mainstream press for FreeBSD, only niches.

As always, there are few answers focused on the topic. A thread could be opened to discuss whether this thread should exist, and so on.
 
Ahhh... the way it's appearing to me, there's some (yeah, grossly oversimplified) similarities/parallels between FreeBSD advocacy and actual Evangelism...

Sometimes advocacy is treated as free speech, sometimes it's looked at as proselytizing and propaganda... For example, on these Forums, we have a tendency to bash Linux for things like not accepting ZFS for purely political reasons (incompatibility between CDDL and GPL), for swapping out major components on a whim (like removing ifconfig, and switching to ip)... We try to have sensible debates/conversations about that, but someone on the sidelines (not in FreeBSD or Linux camps) can very well characterize our debates as something done in self-serving interests...

I do like the idea that these Forums are meant to be primarily a means to exchange technical info. I think that FreeBSD advocacy does have a place at the table...
 
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