That's not an issue. (while it would be nice to fit in the given price range, it's not necessary). As I said, I'm hell-bent on getting a working 'portable' pc running FreeBSD, I just need to know if it'll work.You are in different regions. It's going to be at least 30% more expensive in Europe anyway.
Please do report back. I've been fencesitting on one of these myself.I've ordered a Frame.work laptop. I'll report my experiences here if it ever arrives.
I've never had a problem running Freebsd on a computer I built even back when I couldn't always afford good parts. Some particular things might not work, like accelerated graphics, the latest WI-FI standard, the shiniest Linux desktop bloatware, etc., but I've always wound up with a workable computer.
Okay, let's assume for a moment that you have to buy a laptop that can run FreeBSD (and has a WORKING wifi adapter preferably one using the 802.11 gen 5 or 6 protocol),If your AMD or Intel is too new on an otherwise supported architecture, make and model series, chances are, it will be supported in a year to a few years. If it's too much money, don't chance that. There's a lot from a few years back that works well.
By the time Motherboards and CPU's come down in price, provided they're the correct architecture, and model brand, they're usually supported by then. CPU's can usually be switched out. If an old computer has an 32bit processor, those can be switched out. Usually CPU's for way older boards not supplied in physical stores have to be ordered online. They claim they're brand new, but I suspect they're not, but the point is, I want an upgrade on a CPU to make an old motherboard better.
I'm not very knowledgable about upgrading laptops, but they seem less upgradeable when looking at the inside.
Ahhh, I was just providing a counter-example to what shkhln was saying. For your case, I'd recommend going with Nvidia RTX 2000 series. It looks like you did your homework, now it's time to put that knowledge to good use by finding a usable laptop that checks the boxes for your list.OMG!!! Wow, will this actually work with FreeBSD???
I mean, according to https://www.freebsd.org/releases/13.0R/hardware/#proc
So considering the fact that this baby has an i7-11800H it should be compatible, right?
But then I looked at the RTX 3050 Ti, and I'm starting to have doubts as to whether it's supported:
I could not find the RTX 3050 Ti listed , I'm guessing this means it's a no go, right?
+ I'm not sure about the model of the wifi adapter, I couldn't find it listed
… I am asking for SPECIFICS, not the general names of brands …
The second laptop wouldn't even boot after the install, but it was such an old piece of junk that …
FreeBSD works almost on anything. Even if some exotic part …
You can only expect problems with most recent and expensive pieces of high-end hardware.
… statistically improbable. …
I am was reasonably happy with the X1 Carbon (3rd gen). It all generally works.just your recommendation for a FreeBSD compatible laptop that has a working wifi adapter and some form of GPU that can handle the res 1920x1080 on a Xorg-based DE and has a working sound card.
I know FreeBSD is not perfect, but I feel such a strange magnetic pull towards UNIX operating systems, I can't help myself.To the opening poster:
With apologies: I thought first of the previously mentioned Framework. Then, the hardware database.
In a parallel universe: we have non-exotic two-year old hardware, from the second largest PC vendor, that FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE can not boot.
An operating system that will not boot is a problem; is not a dream setup.
See above ;-)
Do you know why? Is it with both - UEFI and legacy boot?In a parallel universe: we have non-exotic two-year old hardware, from the second largest PC vendor, that FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE can not boot.
I agree that a system which does not boot is useless. However, the big question here is why?An operating system that will not boot is a problem; is not a dream setup.
𠈶… both - UEFI and legacy boot? …
… I am hell-bent on getting a fully working laptop … Dedicated GPU (preferably nvidia, NOT integrated, and NOT some weird hybrid autobot …
… driver problems …
Shrug. I use BIOS booting and will continue to do so until it is no longer possible. Linus's opinion of UEFI is good enough reason for me to avoid it.Yes.
<https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=f75caed644a5c8c342a1ea5e7a6d5251f82ed0b1> and more; related bugs are not yet fixed.
From bug 257722:FreeBSD bugs:
- 255072 – boot (legacy): no progress beyond 'BIOS DRIVE D: is disk1' – HP ProBook 440 G7, released twenty-three months ago
- 257722 – Current RELEASE builds (11.4, 12.2, 13.0) give BTX boot crash, where 11.3 worked fine.
… The FreeBSD Foundation would like to ensure that running FreeBSD on contemporary hardware, including laptops, remains viable. To that end we plan to purchase the latest generation of one or more of a family of laptops preferred by members of the FreeBSD community, evaluate the existing state of hardware support, and implement missing hardware support where possible.
As the first laptop for this project we have selected a 7th Generation Lenovo X1 Carbon. …
I disagree with that, but until I actually get my hands on an HP laptop and get FreeBSD on it myself, that's just my opinion.With a standard warranty period of one year, an HP computer might be two years out of warranty before it can boot a RELEASE of FreeBSD. Not quite a dream setup
… until I actually get my hands on an HP laptop …
yeah, HP Omen Advantage Edition 16.1"... I'm on West Coast US. Blew a truckload of $ on a GPU, though (talked about that in a different thread), so that laptop is on hold until next year... The reason I'm drooling is the RX 6600m discrete gpu in it. Dunno if it's available in the UK market yet.
They have to focus somewhere because resources are severely limited. Are you suggesting they focus on laptops that are not preferred by the Freebsd community?
- if members of the FreeBSD community prefer laptops that are more likely to run FreeBSD, then support for other (no less important) laptops may be increasingly marginalised.
I think after all there are two schools of philosophy - first (I would call it old school) which says that one should pick a right hardware to run his/her application; second which says that an application should run on all hardware. In this respect the operating system with user-land and ports is an application.