Would it be worth it for a xorg-basic metaport?

Should I make a xorg-basic metaport if I ever have the time?

  • Yes, that would be useful!

    Votes: 5 41.7%

  • No, I want to keep my choice of two already bloated meta ports.

    Votes: 4 33.3%

  • "I use Wayland"

    Votes: 3 25.0%
  • Total voters
    12
Wayland and X server need to be kept separate, because most people use one or the other. If someone wants both, they will be able to install them.

As for X clients, they will always be needed, bc of X server, and because Wayland will have a functioning compatibility layer for it. There's reason to fix up X clients to not abandon them.

We need a clearer and more pronounced distinction between X client and X server. We have a distinction for some ports, but not all. It needs to be in the instructions that X server and X client be installed independently. We need different flavors of X, and it doesn't necessarily need to even have Wayland as a flavor, as Wayland is a separate server. If there are programs which both need like drivers, we need to keep another layer of separation too.
 
RetroComputingCollector said:
It does. I looked up ninja on freshports, and according to Github, it is 10.8% Python.
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It looks like Python is a build dependency (not a run dependency). From the GitHub page:

You can either build Ninja via the custom generator script written in Python or via CMake
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I guess the port maintainer chose the former then.

fmc000 said:
I believe Brodie Robertson debunked most of the contents of this page in one of his longest videos last week or so.
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Who in gen-z is Brodie Robertson? After some digging, expecting him to be a freedesktop developer, it looks like he is a 4th year Software Engineering student at the University of South Australia. Is some random young youtuber even qualified to debunk myths about software that is older than him? He is pre-early career so may well have not even worked in an enterprise computing environment before.
 
Cmake brings in more complicated dependencies than Python. It's good for programs for cross compatibility between Windows. Between those for on FreeBSD, Python is the better choice.
 
kpedersen said:
Who in gen-z is Brodie Robertson? After some digging, expecting him to be a freedesktop developer, it looks like he is a 4th year Software Engineering student at the University of South Australia. Is some random young youtuber even qualified to debunk myths about software that is older than him? He is pre-early career so may well have not even worked in an enterprise computing environment before.
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No wonder I never heard of him. I think anyone who trusts "influencers" is a complete idiot. The internet I enhabit is Web 1.0 and I am very glad that I do. I don't even have any social media accounts, and I never will. I don't need to be tracked just so I can look at low-quality AI-generated spam.
 
kpedersen said:
Who in gen-z is Brodie Robertson? After some digging, expecting him to be a freedesktop developer, it looks like he is a 4th year Software Engineering student at the University of South Australia. Is some random young youtuber even qualified to debunk myths about software that is older than him? He is pre-early career so may well have not even worked in an enterprise computing environment before.
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Please point out mistakes in his video, otherwise your answer doesn't make any sense, thank you. And BTW, yes a youngster can easily debunk myths about software older than him if he or she has the right arguments.
 
RetroComputingCollector said:
No wonder I never heard of him. I think anyone who trusts "influencers" is a complete idiot. The internet I enhabit is Web 1.0 and I am very glad that I do. I don't even have any social media accounts, and I never will. I don't need to be tracked just so I can look at low-quality AI-generated spam.
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Same answer for you and thank you for calling me an idiot, at 56 years old and after 30 years in the industry (and more than 40 with computers in general) I "think" I can easily identify who I can trust and who I better not.

*plonk*

BTW, no social media and no AI whatsoever here too.
 
fmc000 said:
Please point out mistakes in his video, otherwise your answer doesn't make any sense, thank you. And BTW, yes a youngster can easily debunk myths about software older than him if he or she has the right arguments.
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I had a quick scan through his videos and he simply cannot go deep enough into the tech steck to be able to answer a lot of it. For example tearing (a classic X11 vs Wayland argument) has nothing to do with the display servers. This is all in the DRM layer below (which they both share).

But I will give it to him, he does at least have some balance (even if they lack technical depth). This is one of his "why Xorg" videos. Possibly this is so he can capture viewers (and revenue) from both side of the fence.

These kinds of videos also tend to be a little too superficial to run proper benchmarks between VNC/Waypipe/RDP/X11+ssh/X11. So can't quite discuss if the enterprise world (which he has yet to enter) has alternatives to X11.

None of this is peer reviewed though. Listening to his videos is basically the same as asking ChatGPT at this point. If I point out specific mistakes in his video, you would simply disagree and the cycle continues. That said, it tends to be a bit too much of a trivial issue for any papers on it. One here (translate), and one here. Both not specifically comparing. The former has a vague (out of date) benchmark.
 
fmc000 said:
Please point out mistakes in his video, otherwise your answer doesn't make any sense, thank you. And BTW, yes a youngster can easily debunk myths about software older than him if he or she has the right arguments.
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1: They need a plaintext blog page of what that video summarizes; if I had time to take in someone else's opinions of tech, I can use the same time to try it and make my own opinions :p

A quick glance at their page has 10-15-20 minute videos; I'm not watching the entirety of any of those videos no matter how good they might be due to time constraints. But I might skim a blog page, then come back to it later if it's in-depth interesting. If what that person is saying is concise enough to detail an issue and have proposed solutions, it can be plaintext. Otherwise, YouTube seems to have monetization at 10+ minutes I'm not into playing with :p
 
Very much agree on put posts, rather than videos, which no doubt have more wasted time with Remember, like, subscribe and share. Might be a generational thing, I remember at my old job, one of the bosses who was much younger than me, had all this video stuff he wanted us to learn from. So, feel free to say, Ok Boomer, or whatever you young whippersnappers use these days.
 
Yes and if you must use YouTube please leave a detailed posting for those that cannot follow along.

Allan Judes & friends videos are good for that. Complete writeup and video. I appreciate that.

BSD Now - Allan Jude

A weekly podcast and the place to B...SD
www.bsdnow.tv www.bsdnow.tv
 
I have an online friend who has a bad habit of posting a video link with no explanation. I don't click them. He's learned at least, that he better give an explanation and a clue as to length if he's going to put a video link in an email. Which is probably a more negative reflection on how self-centered I am than on him.
For what it's worth, I try, when posting a video link, to give a short description, or if it's something meant as a joke, where if someone knows what it is, the joke will be lost, at least say something like 20 second video, or whatever, so they have some idea of the length of time I'm asking them to spend. It depends on circumstances of course. If someone says, oh I saw a video about setting up configuration X, I realize it will be at least a few minutes and don't get upset. But, I freely admit, a lot of this is probably because I'm an old grouch, and a lot of younger (which is almost everyone) folks will just post a video link and think nothing of it.
 
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