firefox is not unix, it is something horrible

D-FENS said:
One of these days I will be mad enough to go ahead and implement a real browser.
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Good luck with that... :rolleyes: Falkon keeps crashing, and even Konqueror is out-of-date in making a web site look and act like something useful and compliant with latest standards. Even then, none of these projects is a one-dev show.
 
hruodr said:
The xterm running remote, but displayed local, communicates through X protocol. But how the firefox called in
the remote machine becomes a tab in the local machine?
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I don't know about this method.
I use ssh -XY 192.168.1.105 and from this shell I launch firefox.
It does not show up as a Tab in my Host machine Firefox.
It does show the remote computer name in the Window Title dressing.

Mozilla FireFox (on Rock4B)
 
Yesterday appeared in the address suggestions a link to amazon pinned.

I was not able to delete it nor any other suggestion, schift-del does not work.

I tried then to delete the history, it hang, i killed the process, and got an unusable firefox, lame, I was
not even able to save the bookmarks, but I had an old, not updated backup.

I saved .mozilla/firefox/xyz.default-esr/prefs.js, deleted the whole .mozilla,
started firefox, quit it, and put the file again in that place. That worked before to save the preferences,
but surprise: it does not work anymore.

And then I spent a lot of more time stripping the annoying and danger "features". They are annoying and a
security risk.

I think, it is really necessary to make a process to strip the common browsers from features, to unprogram
the features, to make them more unix.

I managed to avoid windows or Mac in spite of the pressure of the market, but unfortunately I cannot
avoid to use chrome or firefox, I need the web, and all is written for one or two browsers.
They are forcing me to use software of worst quality.
 
hruodr said:
Yesterday appeared in the address suggestions a link to amazon pinned.

I was not able to delete it …
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Do you mean the about:newtab page?

Use the menu to unpin or dismiss.

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UFS or ZFS?

Which version of Firefox or Firefox ESR, exactly?

pkg iinfo firefox

Which version of FreeBSD, exactly?

freebsd-version -kru ; uname -aKU

Packages from quarterly, or latest?

pkg -vv | grep -e url -e enabled -e priority

hruodr said:
… software of worst quality.
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You have no idea of the processes through which the code is developed and tested before each release.

hruodr said:
I tried then to delete the history,
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How, exactly?

hruodr said:
it hang, i killed the process, and got an unusable firefox, lame, I was not even able to save the bookmarks,
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What happened in troubleshoot mode?

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hruodr said:
surprise: it does not work anymore.
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What, exactly, does not work?
 
hruodr said:
Not completely. If one opens the link, on the URL field normal appears the clean link to which google
redirects, not a link to a local file, the exception is with links to a pdf file.
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I think this can be configured in Firefox. At least in Windows version you can choose whether to download PDF file or open it in browser (its PDF reader). I guess in BSD version the corresponding "embedded" PDF reader needs pdf file and in Windows version the file is loaded in RAM and URL shows original PDF link.
 
6502 said:
I think this can be configured in Firefox. At least in Windows version you can choose whether to download PDF file or open it in browser (its PDF reader). I guess in BSD version the corresponding "embedded" PDF reader needs pdf file and in Windows version the file is loaded in RAM and URL shows original PDF link.
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This was not the problem, but what appears in the URL Bar after following a link to a PDF file.
The problem was that there appeared a link to a local file, not to the original link. But now the
problem disappeared from alone after updating

grahamperrin said:
Do you mean the about:newtab page?
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No. I mean the suggestions in the URL Bar.

grahamperrin said:
Which version of Firefox or Firefox ESR, exactly?
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firefox-esr-102.10.0,1

grahamperrin said:
You have no idea of the processes through which the code is developed and tested before each release.
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I do not need that "idea" to recognize the bloat, the annoying features, the security traps, the latency, the
bad design.

grahamperrin said:
How, exactly?
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I tried to delete the history with the menu for that. It was not difficult to find it. But to find how to disable
the annoying features I needed google.

grahamperrin said:
What happened in troubleshoot mode?
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I did not know the existence of that, I did not expect that for a piece of software. It is a sign that
it oft does not work.
 
hruodr said:
I did not know the existence of that,
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You never noticed the Help menu?

hruodr said:
I did not expect that for a piece of software. It is a sign that it oft does not work.
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No.

Troubleshooting Mode is intended to help any person who has trouble.

You should understand that some troubles are beyond the control of Mozilla and other developers.

Please visit https://mzl.la/3vUhzHB and read what's there, before anything else. Thanks.
 
D-FENS said:
Yes, you're right. I was thinking more about taking the rendering engine of Mozilla and implementing a simple, secure by default and non-leaking browser GUI. It's still a mammoth task, for sure!
Cheers.
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Better the rendering engine of Chrome, because it is more popular and more Web-Sites are developed for it.
 
D-FENS said:
Yes, you're right. I was thinking more about taking the rendering engine of Mozilla and implementing a simple, secure by default and non-leaking browser GUI. It's still a mammoth task, for sure!
Cheers.
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It would take finding others who share that goal, and working as a group. It's possible for anything to be done alone, though, that would be an uphill battle and take a long time. The easiest task, would be forking and stripping Firefox down. For a non-programmer, I once took out dependencies needed for gtk2, so it could be used exclusively with gtk3, but the compile still had parts which asked for those, mostly for icon related stuff. I didn't finish that task.
hruodr said:
that does not change the reality: we are dependent on chrome, we are dependent on android.
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The benefit of Firefox, and parts of Chrome which are opensource, is they can be forked. It's easier said than done, and usually stops at being a dream. Mozilla provided their own form of Firefox. There's not another big company like Mozilla or Apache taking on a fork. Google took on a task of having their own browser, however, it's aimed for their purposes, rather than Mozilla's or Apache's purposes. One group took a forking task, but they wanted to force use of their own homegrown dependencies, and got into a dispute with OpenBSD over that or some other reason.

It takes a big company or nonprofit with the type of perspective that Mozilla, Apache or The Document Foundation have. There's other companies with a similar perspective about preserving opensource whatever their licensing brand or idealism is, but they're smaller, such as ISC.
 
hruodr said:
I also, but that does not change the reality: we are dependent on chrome, we are dependent on android.
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D-FENS said:
There's gotta be a better way!
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There is. Use a regular mobile phone. Use a different web browser. Both are currently very easy to do.

Also, the web has actually stagnated for a couple of years now; using an old browser is very feasible again. When running in a Jail, it is arguably safer too than the approach recommended by Google and friends.

Of course if you want to use Microsoft's or Google's services; *then* you have to play with their toys. But these are also very easy to avoid. Don't take their bait!
 
kpedersen said:
There is. Use a regular mobile phone. Use a different web browser. Both are currently very easy to do.

Also, the web has actually stagnated for a couple of years now; using an old browser is very feasible again. When running in a Jail, it is arguably safer too than the approach recommended by Google and friends.

Of course if you want to use Microsoft's or Google's services; *then* you have to play with their toys. But these are also very easy to avoid. Don't take their bait!
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Phone: +1
Web browser - that's the point. There is no sensible alternative. I found Epiphany pretty refreshing, but unfortunately it lacks essential configuration options around cookie usage. I would like to allow only very limited amount of sites to use cookies and turn all others off, but the options only allow me to toggle cookies globally.
 
D-FENS said:
Apple products are horrible.
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It's not black-and-white. For years, Safari was my preferred browser on Mac OS X. tl;dr Apple's wreckage of Safari was the main reason for me abandoning Apple products.

A few hours ago, I wanted a Mac instead of the depressing complexity of bugs affecting FreeBSD.
 
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