Wine 11 vs Win11 Performance

[bgavin]

I understand that Wine 11 offers near-native performance.

It also offers a dummy function to report Win11 installed for TurboTax, Quickbooks, ON1 and others that refuse to launch on other than Win11.

I’m curious if Wine11 is same or faster than bloated Win11

 

[MrBSD]

There are scenarios where wine can give better performance. For example, If you have beaten up your windows 11 with tons of updates and shit ton of application installs and uninstalls that left shit ton of registry entries and various other garbage. There are rare cases where wine outperforms windows 11 in some games. But this is not because of wine, its a game problem.

Near native performance is overstatement. That depends on what are you trying to run,. As i said above, wine can sometimes outperform windows 11, but in many cases it provides much inferior performance or just straight up doesnt work. Some modern games require secure boot and they use very invasive kernel-level anti cheats. That wont work anywhere except windows 11.

 

[bgavin]

I'm not a gamer.
I notice how much slower Win10/Win11 are in regular daily desktop use, such as opening files and launching executables.
I've read somewhere that Win7 used native Win32 API calls, where the newer ones use some HTML-like interface.
I'm thinking that Wine11 combined with the lean Linux architecture might restore some of my old Win7 performance.

I'm here on FBSD because it does the server-thing so very well.
Not interested at all in FBSD for a GUI desktop after reading all the problems posted here.

Been thinking about Mint or some other 'nix type, because I fully expect Win10 and later to be further bogged down with bloat.
Learning about Wayland vs X11, Bottles, and TMP in a ramdisk instead of thrashing my SSD with endless Writes.

I currently ran the few mandatory Win11 instances in VMs on ESXi.
My daily work is always dual-monitor, so I might have to pony up for a quality N-way KVM.
ON1 is my Photoshop replacement, and it demands Win11 to launch, same as TurboTax and Quickbooks.

 

[MrBSD]

I'm not a gamer.

Neither am i, but games are also applications. And their performance can tell you a lot about the compatibility layer graphic capabilities.

I notice how much slower Win10/Win11 are in regular daily desktop use, such as opening files and launching executables.

That is not a proper performance indicator. Wine is just a compatibility layer. Windows 10/11 is a complete bloated mess of an operating system. However, there are tools to debloat and speed up Microslop OSes and those tools work great. You can also create debloated ISOs so you dont have to apply your tweak every time you reinstall. Its a hassle, but it works.

I've read somewhere that Win7 used native Win32 API calls, where the newer ones use some HTML-like interface.

Be careful where you get your information from.

I'm thinking that Wine11 combined with the lean Linux architecture might restore some of my old Win7 performance.

You are going to be very dissappointed.

I'm here on FBSD because it does the server-thing so very well.
Not interested at all in FBSD for a GUI desktop after reading all the problems posted here.

FreeBSD for desktop use works fine if you chose a proper desktop environment or window manager like Cinnamon or DWM. If you have properly supported hardware, dont even consider using anything from Microsoft. Dont get me wrong, Windows 7 is great, but if you intend to use online, you are going to have a really bad time.

Been thinking about Mint or some other 'nix type, because I fully expect Win10 and later to be further bogged down with bloat.

I would stay away from Linux distributions with systemd like Mint, considering all the systemd shennanigans. Go get Artix, Devuan or Chimera Linux.

Learning about Wayland vs X11, Bottles, and TMP in a ramdisk instead of thrashing my SSD with endless Writes.

You need to get SSD with SLC or TLC nand. They are expensive, but you dont have to think about how much data you have writter/read.

I currently ran the few mandatory Win11 instances in VMs on ESXi.
My daily work is always dual-monitor, so I might have to pony up for a quality N-way KVM.
ON1 is my Photoshop replacement, and it demands Win11 to launch, same as TurboTax and Quickbooks.

I would just continue using windows 11 in VM`s because you have snapshot capabilities that way.

 

[Espionage724]

I think I/O could be about the same; with World of Warcraft I log into the world about the same time FreeBSD, Linux, and Windows; but while FreeBSD is the fastest, Linux and Windows have OBS CPU-side (along with Windows having another game + server up )

Iirc Legendary when ran though Wine on FreeBSD (UFS) had like 1GB/s read speed on validating GTA V files whereas Linux (native Python app) had 900MB/s and Windows 750 MB/s. I think Hyper-threading affects speeds notably with that though and don't know if I had it on or off FreeBSD and Linux (no real diff Windows so might be a NTFS thing; same speed on 11 with native NVME feature too; might imply the filesystem and I/O handling of the OS determines speed more vs Wine vs Windows win32 perf, and that might be technically faster FreeBSD or Linux depeneding on how far scheduler/driver/filesystem tweaks can go)

I notice how much slower Win10/Win11 are in regular daily desktop use, such as opening files and launching executables.

I notice Win11 24H2 was a tiny bit slower with opening things vs 10 21H2 (both LTSC), but it was tolerable (was on 26100.8457 a couple days ago but it still can't fullscreen a OpenGL game vs Win10); generally everything opens snappy though like FreeBSD and Linux (I tune Windows pretty good )

Not interested at all in FBSD for a GUI desktop after reading all the problems posted here.

Problem solving can be fun (I use Xfce)

It also offers a dummy function to report Win11 installed for TurboTax, Quickbooks, ON1 and others that refuse to launch on other than Win11.

Yeah, under winecfg the first tab lets you change the reported Windows version (defaults Win10)

I usually set up fresh prefixes and set the Win version to what the app minimally supports; like Diablo 2:

WINEPREFIX=~/'.wine/Diablo II (1.06b)' winecfg /v 'win2k'

Winetricks can do it too; here's what they list for OS names: https://github.com/Winetricks/winetricks/blob/master/src/winetricks#L2428

nt351|nt40|vista|win10|win11|win20|win2k|win30|win31|win7|win8|win81|win95|win98|winme

I've read somewhere that Win7 used native Win32 API calls, where the newer ones use some HTML-like interface.

Might be "Modern UI" or UWP and WebView2; it's the interface Settings used with Win8 and MS slowly replaced win32 apps and Control Panel pages to UWP ones. Not sure how it is with 3rd-party dev, but win32's still supported fine afaik.

 

[bgavin]

This was an interesting adventure, but Linux has proven to be the same bucket of worms I have always found it to be.

I built the latest Linux Mint XFCE to a thumb drive as MBR.
It boots up, but crashes hard at the login.
Keyboard and Mouse are both dead, locked up solid.
I'll try the installed XFCE USB on a Win8.1 laptop to see if it fares any better.

My Intel i7 870 is dated, no UEFI, but still runs Windows and I can do work without having to tinker and debug it.
FBSD 12 runs flawlessly on my XigmaNAS and SuperMicro board with Xeon.

I am well versed in AutoUnattend.xml to build fresh Win1x installations without the bloat.

 

[penguinslayer]

Not interested at all in FBSD for a GUI desktop after reading all the problems posted here.

I alternate between XFCE and Openbox. I love it. <3