Will FreeBSD be available in California in 2027?

The thing about the coffee water temperature, you can't get water temperature higher than boiling which is 212F/100C. You shouldn't really use boiling water to brew coffee (as if I was a coffee aficionado) but let's say they did. Then you run it through the ground coffee for the time it takes to brew. Then it's dispensed into a cup, capped off, and handed to the customer. How much heat was released in all that time? iirc, in my coffee brewing experiments, pouring boiling water into coffee grounds immediately reduced the temperature to something like 180F or less and there needed to be some time for brewing though McD's brewing time I'm sure is much shorter in their machine.

Now I'm not saying this customer wasn't injured. The facts are that her skin was scalded to some extent but it could not have been to some "insane temperature".
 
drhowarddrfine said:
The thing about the coffee water temperature, you can't get water temperature higher than boiling which is 212F/100C. You shouldn't really use boiling water to brew coffee (as if I was a coffee aficionado) but let's say they did. Then you run it through the ground coffee for the time it takes to brew. Then it's dispensed into a cup, capped off, and handed to the customer. How much heat was released in all that time? iirc, in my coffee brewing experiments, pouring boiling water into coffee grounds immediately reduced the temperature to something like 180F or less and there needed to be some time for brewing though McD's brewing time I'm sure is much shorter in their machine.

Now I'm not saying this customer wasn't injured. The facts are that her skin was scalded to some extent but it could not have been to some "insane temperature".
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You only need to accidentally jog a pan you're boiling an egg in and splash some of the water onto your hand to know how bad it can be. Quite often if I'm out with friends and we have coffee, I ask the bar staff to top mine up with cold water because it comes out of those machines so damn hot, you need an asbestos throat to drink it. Otherwise you have to sit there for 15 minutes waiting for it to cool down before you can drink it.
 
Zare said:
But it isn't. The truth is that McD has corrupt and shady business practices that should've been investigated and penalized. They lobbied themselves out of it. "Coffee is hot" label on the mugs is just muddying the waters.
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Does this "Coffee is hot" label make McD free from liability for possible injures from hot coffee in future? I think it will only reduce the amount of monetary compensation.
 
drhowarddrfine said:
The thing about the coffee water temperature,
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That was exactly what was I thinking, too. But maybe the coffee was so old, it did contain more than mostly water anymore, so it could be heated way over water's boiling point. By my experience there are or have been a lot of coffee machines in the USA where the remains of the old coffee stayed in the can, while "fresh" coffee is just added (saves money, especially when there is free refills - I wrote a satiric post about it.) When you think this through, doing this many times over a couple of weeks, if nobody empty and cleans the can, then there is something in it, which is less coffee but more something like used to build roads - I can imagine that this can be heated so far it melts some plastic clothing.
Or there was a boiling delay - which can also be reached only when the production process ain't correct.
Anyway, I wasn't to stress coffee - again - but used it as an example for hiving off responsibility the cheap way.
6502 said:
Does this "Coffee is hot" label make McD free from liability for possible injures from hot coffee in future? I think it will only reduce the amount of monetary compensation.
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I think this will depend on the case and on the lawyers. Anyway the second point will snatch, which is not to be underestimated, since when I recall correct in that case it was about several millions.
 
The problem with all of these arguments is...
  • Some "World Country" is going to say "I want to protect all adults from (18 to dead) from eating onions!"
  • And some how some legislative body in some country (say in the country of "Franistan" -- made up country) declares that all Operating Systems will need to track at login/account creation time people who are between the ages of (18 to dead) so that they can "Stop the adults in Franistan from eating onions!"
  • FreeBSD will need to update their account creation procedures to tell us who is between (18 to dead) to comply with the new country of "Franistan" law.
  • Every time (the REST of us) surf to a "Food provider" web site we will (ALL) get a warning that we should "NOT EAT ONIONS"!
The choices are:
  • Comply with "Country of Franistan" law.
  • Say: OK, you can't install the product in the "Country of Franistan".
Once FreeBSD agrees to (this sillyness) (aka agreeing to comply with "Franistan" law) they are going to quickly find that they will have to agree to (ALL OTHER) crazy country laws and crazy ideas.

"County of Zeus" law: "No computer screen shall display the color RED!"
"County of Athena" (Athens?)" law: "You can only use your computer mouse on TUESDAY, but not on WEDNESDAY".

Sure.. the Operating System will comply ... but it will be interesting :cool:
 
CShell said:
"County of Athena" (Athens?)" law: "You can only use your computer mouse on TUESDAY, but not on WEDNESDAY".
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I once had a demo of a compiler which hat the limitation of liking long weekends - "This compiler will not work on mondays" it said.

And what happend to "Use/install at your own risk" because the FreeBSD project is not the manufacturer, they are a supplier of a system component. It becomes a system when you add hardware to it, making the one installing it the manufacturer of the system.
 
In many states, you cannot drink till you are 21. However, you can join the army at least 3 years before that. I don't know minimum enlistment age, but you were ready to be drafted once you hit 18.
 
I am going to stick my neck out and say that I think that the midnightbsd peeps have got the wrong end of the stick, if I have understood their reservations correctly. My reading of it is that the (admittedly ambiguous) description of the mechanisms given in the legislation can be entirely implemented in the browser and target websites, without requiring any change to the underlying operating system on the device being used to access those websites. I think some kind of misunderstanding of the wording of the legislation has occurred, somewhere along the way. Or it might only apply to the operating systems on commercial platforms like windows and mac where you explicitly log in to a microsoft or apple online account to use the machine. To me it makes no sense at all that it would apply to setting up a unix userid on freebsd using 'adduser', for example. I guess we will find out whether I'm right or wrong in due course.
 
scottro said:
In many states, you cannot drink till you are 21.
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Cause they can't be trusted to act responsibly which always made me question why they are allowed to vote before then.

At my restaurants, I would never hire anyone under 18 and preferred they be in college. I noticed a lot of growing up between 18 and 20.

Sometimes in the news, they'll report about "an 18-year old man". Man? That's still a child!
 
drhowarddrfine said:
Cause they can't be trusted to act responsibly which always made me question why they are allowed to vote before then.

At my restaurants, I would never hire anyone under 18 and preferred they be in college. I noticed a lot of growing up between 18 and 20.
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Arguably, 21 is one of the worst ages to let people start drinking. They're old enough to no longer have parental supervision for anything, but still a few years away from being fully developed.
 
tbqh if this society actually cared about protecting its children it would operate entirely differently and would produce fewer deeply traumatized adults, but it does not and uses "think about the children" as a feint towards increasing invasive mass surveillance :)
 
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