Will FreeBSD be available in California in 2027?

Sadly I don't think there's a cat's chance in hell that they will ban online porn.
It's banned on television in the USA. This leads into my occasional comment that I think, eventually, the internet will be regulated in the same way over-the-air radio and television is today. When radio first came out, it was the wild-wild-west, too.
The counter to that may be cable and streaming services but, even there, none of that is worse than what you see in a theater.
 
This leads into my occasional comment that I think, eventually, the internet will be regulated in the same way over-the-air radio and television is today.
The people wanting net neutrality wanted that; or might have been manipulated to ignore that for free/faster internet :p


I'm confused why the solution to bad-actors is still harboring them. "Protect the children", while allowing platforms to exist that had no problem hosting malicious actors prior to law and financial punishment.

Like, maybe go after the platforms before collecting more data from random users that doesn't lead to preventive action (shooters ham'ing it up in Discord, doing it, then long afterwards proof's found in plaintext chats on a platform that collected that info long before the action).
 
Those who like the beep out, there are segments on Jimmy Kimmel with "unnecessary censorship" where they insert beeps into harmless statements, turning normal conversations into something completely different. Enjoy.
 
I think it is more so because some people want to be in the know of cutting edge technology so they can take advantage of the rest of us aka more ads.

Did you guys hear about the insurance mess going on. I’m dealing with that atm. Please leave the community technology that was built for the community alone vs for your personal financial gain
 
I still think if Governor Newsom, who will probably run for president, receives enough intelligent dissent, it might help.
Especially if you're in the US and will vote in the next presidential election.
It's too late. He signed that assembly bill into law. The next session of the state legislature could remove it again, but why would they (it would amount to admitting a mistake). Governor Newsom is a sitting duck; his term ends at the end of this year.
 
The problem is when some lawyer who knows nothing about software and operating systems drafts a law where he attempts to describe something techinical... and the result is a mess that can be interpreted a gazillion different ways; "what does this word mean", "and what does that bit mean", etc...

As in (copied from https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/...able-in-california-in-2027.101846/post-747143)
quote:-

(1) Provide an accessible interface at account setup that requires an account holder to indicate the birth date, age, or both, of the user of that device for the purpose of providing a signal regarding the user’s age bracket to applications available in a covered application store.
(2) Provide a developer who has requested a signal with respect to a particular user with a digital signal via a reasonably consistent real-time application programming interface that identifies, at a minimum, which of the following categories pertains to the user."

end quote

It only makes any sense to me if they are talking about a user registering with a website or some other online service over the web. (Surely, by 'account', they cannot mean creating a unix userid on freebsd with 'adduser'). When they talk about a "digital signal" and "real-time application programming interface" they probably just mean a diaglog pops up to request age verification during user registration on a website. And by 'developer', I think they really mean 'website developer', ie the person developing the website the user is registering with.

As far as I can see that doesn't need to go anywhere near the underlying operating system; it could just be a standard dialog presented by the browser, with a standard browser API to cause it to appear, that is implemented across all browsers. So I wonder if the midnightbsd people have got the wrong end of the stick. But they have probably investigated it in a lot more depth than I have.
 
The problem is with some lawyer who knows nothing about software and operating systems drafting a law where he attempts to describe something techinical... and the result is a mess that can be interpreted a gazillion different ways, "what does this word mean", "and what does this bit mean", etc...
We had our own trouble with this kind of lawmaker, and still do. If I could redefine the process of making a law, I would make it mandantory to give a veto-bat to at least two randomly picked persons (like jury duty) who have a masters degree in that field. With televised application of said bat, and a cat o nine for repeat offenders. This might increase the interest of people in laws being in the pipeline and the care the lawmakers put in.
 
Admittedly, I'm reading that snippet of legal text out of context, without having read the whole thing first, so I may be making an unfair criticism; but in that case, why have midnightbsd taken action that implies they think it pertains to the underlying operating system? They must have had a good reason, and perhaps were given legal advice, to do that. Anyway, this one looks like its going to run and run...
 
I wasn't actually talking about porn. I was talking about creating hysteria to deal with fears, instead of solving problems. For that porn was a good example. Don't get me wrong, I neither applaude the masses of free porn we have since the WWW, nor I'm saying there shall be free access to it for anybody at any age. I am happy that at least one needs to ask for it, and don't get it rubbed into our noses unasked everywhere we look.
But looking back over some generations it shows two things:
The fear about what would happen if not banned were exaggerated. And you simply cannot eliminate it.
This does and shall not whitewash it, since such issues are too complex to be dealt binary with.
That's my point:
Trying to solve complex problems with simple ("binary") approaches (bans/prohibition) is always doomed to fail.

Take the prohibition in Norway (1914-1927) or the USA (1919-1933) as another example:
Neither everybody became an alcoholic because of aclohol is free to buy, nor it prevented people from drinking alcohol when it was banned. All you got were some fewer of the problems you cannot completely prevent anyway for the price you got a lot more other, additional, and more serious problems instead.
Today's statistics prove: Alcohol consumption decreases - while it's free to buy. Something the prohibitionists had never believed.
If you want to prevent people from using drugs, you need to look at the reasons why people take them, and solve those. Prohibition does not solve that. This only fuels black market, or shift the demands for other drugs.

Agreed, that's not an easy, but a complex task that needs lots of effort and patience, and the whole society need to discuss openly on a mature level, while there are commercial interests to continue selling crap to the masses: cigarettes, alcolohol, porn, junk food, personal information gathering social media, ... - addiction is the key. The most money can be made with addicting products. And the addicted ones want to remain at the wheel, so the ones neither using nor selling them but seeing the problems are in a bad position to deal with.

That's why we observe this hypocritically pious behaviour took the helm: Everybody knows it's bad, but the majority don't really want to get rid of it. So they absolve themselves by placing "warning" stickers everywhere:
One US american once got a hot coffee over his trousers, now on every mug it's written: "Warning! Hot." Well, yeah, of course coffee is brewed in boiling water, and commonly served hot, if it's not clearly attributed as "ice coffee." Now billions of people have to look at this sign thousands of times because one single moron once was too stupid to drink a cup of coffee. Did this prevent any scalding? There are still people scalding at their coffee. So at soup, or any other hot dish - with or without a sign.
In every hotel bathroom is a sign: "can you imagine how much water... if you reuse the towels." At most hotels I've been the towels are replaced every day by fresh ones, doesn't matter if I throw them on the floor, or not. So why shall I need to look at this sign everytime I go to the bathroom?
By all countries I visited so far Germany, UK, and the USA are the countries of the sign fetishists - where you look, there is a sign, sombody telling you somebody.
I remember my first time I entered a bus in Edinburgh: The driver had to wait for a couple of seconds extra before I bought a ticket, because I first had to read all the signs. "Oh, it's forbidden to pee on the floor, dump my trash into the bus, or rob the driver. Good a sign told me that, otherwise I had done it." 🤪 Point is: Besides to normal sane people those things are all self-evident, it needs to be told once, not everytime again and again. At least not to me. So what makes this to foreigners like me? Of course I think:"Damned, what a bunch of imbecile morons do live here, they need so many signs continously remind them of so many things." - "Keep breathing! Warning! Stop breathing may kill you."
I wait for somebody will sue a washbasin manufacturer for his relative drowned drunken in the bathtub, so then worldwide we get a sign at every sink, basin, and tub: "Warning! Water is wet."

On every website with adult content you get this warning sign that asks you if you are under age, or not.
How much underaged do you think are prevented by this from watching porn?
Would you say "almost all", or rather "almost no one"?
Those things do not prevent anything. They are just for to absolve the providers: "Hey, we told them. If they don't obey it, then it's not our business."

Bottom line:
About how to deal with such things maturely, to actually solve problems really, was a long point I don't want to stress here. There is enough expertise and literature about that for decades. It just needs to be done - even if this means to take responsibility and withdraw some energy from selling crap to put it into doing people and society good.
addiction - responsibility - mature

All I'm saying is, all this prohibition, banning, and warning sign hysteria do not solve anything. In contrary it worsen the things. And when everybody always give in on that crap, we are lost.

Like I refuse to not drink alcohol because childs are prohibited (for a good reason),
I refuse to understand, why FreeBSD, and me, and many, many others, has to fulfill a pointless law some state in the US fabricated by half-baked ideas.
As I said in my post #32:
Just place "This software is prohibited to be used in California" into the license.
It's like nobody gets any trouble when underaged teens click on "age 18 or older" when entering a porn site:
A pointless law pointless fulfilled.
 
One US american once got a hot coffee over his trousers, now on every mug it's written: "Warning! Hot."

If you're talking about a women and McDonalds coffee, that conclusion is a propaganda scam by media paid by McD.
This was no frivolous claim - the woman, minutes after her coffee was made, spilled it on her lap, and she got burns through the clothes and the sides of her private parts were melt together. I believe it was proven the coffee was on insane temperature.

Edit : it would be like buying a broken supercar, that decided to engage full sport mode on itself, suddenly has a rush of acceleration and yields in a crash. And then everyone is shitting on the owner saying if you can't drive a supercar why did you buy it.
 
I was PR0N and G0re proofing my home as the children get using Internet unsupervised more and more.
DNS filtering is the easiest afaik.
There used to be problems with regular sites (not filtered by DNS like Reddit, Twitter etc.) having pr0n. Now it is mostly fixed - to see adult content there you need account.
Only hack remains - search sites like google, duckduckgo etc. are displaying naughty pictures without login. At least no movies.

I don't want my small children to see this stuff by accident as they have no interest in it. When they are older and actively search for it, I just need it to not be just click away.
Let them work for it - like we had to, huh - find the stash and cover our tracks.
 
she got burns through the clothes and the sides of her private parts were melt together.
If that's so, then the coffee was hotter than a real coffee can actually be. That's for sure a reason to sue the restaurant, and a reason for even not putting warning signs on all coffee mugs.

that decided to engage full sport mode on itself, suddenly has a rush of acceleration and yields in a crash.
You are missing my point.
I am not want pleading for a free charter of broken products, but against having warning signs everywhere warning everbody for things that can happen by misusage - stupidity, ignorance, not reading the handbook, whatever - while the product is produced correctly and delivered to be used under normal circumstances as its meant to be used.

A "No Smoking" sign at a filling station has a nother qualification than a sign warning of something hot is commonly hot.
Think it through what it looks like if you put signs on everything about anything you could do with something, but better not to: On every hammer you get a sign, you may hit your thumb, and you don't shall hit somebody with it... on every vaccuum cleaner to not use it as a sex toy,... don't eat soap...every dog needs to wear a sign warning of possible loud noises and biting... where shall this end? Nowhere. That's infinite.
And it brings absolutely no additional security whatsoever. It only serves a few lawyers, and the world drowns in silly, pointless signs and warnings.
It's the plot of "The Simpsons", Season 1, Episode 3 "Homer's Odyssey", USA 1990

Especially if within a single incident something was simply not under correct normal conditions, like some extraordinary hot coffee, then putting warning signs on it is exactly the free charter of not ensuring the safety of delivered products: "We put a warning sign on it that it may not function as usual."
 
That's for sure a reason to sue the restaurant, and a reason for even not putting warning signs on all coffee mugs.
You are missing my point.
I am not want pleading for a free charter of broken products, but against having warning signs everywhere warning everbody for things that can happen by misusage

I am exactly getting your point and agreeing with it.
Coffee warning signs are there because McD doesn't want to own up to their fuckup. They don't want to lose reputation, and admit they delivered a hazardous product. They lobbied, lined up pockets and the sum of the story is "shit happens" and now there is a "shit happens" label on every coffee mug.

But it isn't. The truth is that McD has corrupt and shady business practices that should've been investigated and penalized. They lobbied themselves out of it. "Coffee is hot" label on the mugs is just muddying the waters.

Imagine a construction company whose failing bridge kills people. Then they pay politicians to say, right, the company will pay damages to the victims families but in life bridges may fail so we're going to put up an entrance sign, warning, this bridge may fall down at any time.
 
I was PR0N and G0re proofing my home as the children get using Internet unsupervised more and more.
DNS filtering is the easiest afaik.
A really simple fix for a single machine is a site-blocking hosts file. I like Steven Black's one here, it works pretty well:-
He provides different versions depending on what particular type of crud you want to block, I usually just get the one that blocks everything, near the end of the list. Then just put that into /etc/hosts, perhaps add any local names you want to allow, and job done. It's not zillions of lines long so I don't notice any real delay doing name lookups. So if you have a single router/firewall freebsd box for the whole house, and your broadband modem the other side of it, it's an easy fix. Of course it works with things like unbound too. He gives a lot of good information on the github page as well, it's worth a read through.

Sure a pi-hole is much more sophisticated, but with this you don't have to maintain yet another box, and it only takes 5 minutes to install. Just update the /etc/hosts file from his github copy now and again.

Of course this won't stop them finding junk over the cellular network on a smartphone, or on social media that they have accounts on. Or stuff that their friends show them in the school playground... 😂
 
Talking of hosts files... it would be interesting to know if there is a way to install one on android. There must be one there, after all, it's linux under the covers. However I expect you'd nee to jailbreak the phone... just wondering if anyone has ever heard of putting a custom hosts files on a phone?
 
We are having that discussion about blocking social media for under 16 year olds. The argument most ignored is that this will not reduce anything because at 18 you are not magically a sane and responsible, law abiding citizen. People drink, people smoke, and that both things are allowed after 18 does not help much. My argument is how the proponents of the age barrier would react to placing "it is forbidden to pee in the pool" only to the shallow non-swimmer pools and place signs "it is ok to pee in the pool" on the deeper ones.
 
Talking of hosts files... it would be interesting to know if there is a way to install one on android. There must be one there, after all, it's linux under the covers. However I expect you'd nee to jailbreak the phone... just wondering if anyone has ever heard of putting a custom hosts files on a phone?
There is, I found some in the f-droid store looking for "dns".
 
We are having that discussion about blocking social media for under 16 year olds. The argument most ignored is that this will not reduce anything because at 18 you are not magically a sane and responsible, law abiding citizen. People drink, people smoke, and that both things are allowed after 18 does not help much. My argument is how the proponents of the age barrier would react to placing "it is forbidden to pee in the pool" only to the shallow non-swimmer pools and place signs "it is ok to pee in the pool" on the deeper ones.
Yeah, you don't magically become super emotionally mature and able to cope with all this stuff at 18. Your brain is still developing physiologically until around your mid-20's, I read recently.
 
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