Think of the Children

This outcome of a walled garden is what is seen as "user-friendly". Loads of people are asking for that kind of crap, even on these forums (easy installers, easy init systems, easy gui tooling). You can't escape it unless you migrate to a community/project that focuses entirely on correctness rather than attracting casual consumers.

As the world becomes a crowded, noisy place, full of bad ideas; projects need to start 'gatekeeping' to protect themselves in the same way that disallowing bicycles on a motorway is 'gatekeeping'.
 
I am afraid for the future of FOSS. It is a scary world where rebellion has been quelled.

Ironic that ARAPANET turned out to be one of the greatest advances in communications. Then was killed by control.
 
In the old days they would add on pedals and call a scooter a moped. Some way to let kids ride legally on the road. It was a scam.

They are defiantly struggling here with regulation. Kids on Golf Carts are all over neighborhoods. They are not street legal. People are getting hurt.

Motor assisted biking is not allowed on our Boardwalk Bike Path. But 4 Person pedal cars are. They take up the whole path. Rentals of course.

We don't take biking as a serious means of transport in America. It is a pleasure thing. Death ride if you ask me. Bad enough risk for full motorcycles.
 
When I go on Road Trips I rent a car from an agency 2 miles up the street. That is the only time I ride my bike. Being the lazy person I am.

Some towns have full bike paths integrated with roads. Because it has been implemented piecemeal and people don't know how to drive with bikes it is dangerous.
Public Transit has great bike programs here now. It is not the obstacle it once was.

Seeing the Lime model evolve has be interesting. We usually don't share bikes. But the clusterfsck of leaving scooters and bikes at random places is stupid.
A geo-fence was causing all of them to bomb out at Chesapeake-Norfolk City line. What a trip. It took them 9 months to finally fix that glitch. A pile of disabled vehicles and pissed off users.
Left in the middle of nowhere because of a remote computer.
 
Excellent article by phk, hits to bottom of things, the states have not only right, but obligations to pursue criminals.

The "tech bros" sought to create a parallel environment where their regulation governs the affairs, well, that is simply not possible.

Whose idea is to put Internet connected devices into hands of children and elderly, whose idea is to shove computers up everyone's nose, use them where they don't belong, if not of tech bros.
 
Zare said:
the states have not only right, but obligations to pursue criminals.
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Man I hate to get political here but you made a point.

Only certain STATES are pursuing AGE verification.

So now we have reached a point were the lowest democratic value STATE sets all the rules?

LCD
LeastCommonDemocracy or LowestCommonDemocracy
 
No no I am not talking about age verification, I am talking about mass TLS.

Also take in account that in Europe especially in smaller countries we do not have an Orwellian style agencies that retent and warehouse historic user data and such, but we expect, that somebody in the police, can do something about a court giving a snooping warrant.

Right now, when that happens the police just says pretty please to Facebook and Facebook honours them, but that is just because Meta is trying to keep this "status quo", again not realistic.

Our police cannot employ specialists and they cannot buy 0days and shit, they cannot hack. It is simply out of the budget.

"Encryption for everyone" was never a legalized, social movement, if it were there would be a wide public discussion about it, the case would be presented as everyone, the bullied woman and the whistleblower, but also the rapist and the spy, get to communicate via some Enigma machine automatically, no plain communication ever goes on beyond anyone, who the hell would've voted for that?
 
About the stupid age thing, I said in other threads and hinted here, it is a consequence of tech bros pushing technology where it doesn't belong, mixed with tech-inept rulers that are simply incapable to come up with an optimal solution and thus will just hammer it.

The key to some issues is not technical but in governance. We rarely mention what plague advertising is, and that big weight behind age shit is failure to comply to no-children-targeting laws for ads.

My opinion is that advertising should be tightly regulated and failures to comply a felony and not a breach of some code.
 
Yea I saw him talking about that angle "Encryption for Everyone" from the tech bro's. But wasn't that largely bluster except for Signal?
They were saying End to End but it was not really.
 
The internet is a narcissist dream. Twitt-kick-kinder-metatube-tok made it very profitable for them..

Think of the Children and Remove them from the internet. It is for adults only.
 
I was thinking of a walled garden like CompuServe was with its own ecoculture.
Only kids and monitored.
Not Roblox with child molesters chatting it up.
 
Phishfry said:
Yea I saw him talking about that angle "Encryption for Everyone" from the tech bro's. But wasn't that largely bluster except for Signal?
They were saying End to End but it was not really.
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The ends are invisible operating system background processes. The user is only a user. People really buy this, unfortunately.
 
The reason FOSS is a time-limited concept is that eventually all processing machines will be closed boot, meaning they won't run unless they are started with a license key. So devs will have to "register". Looking for an example? Look no further ... ANDROID! and IOS! That's how it starts.
 
kent_dorfman766 said:
The reason FOSS is a time-limited concept is that eventually all processing machines will be closed boot, meaning they won't run unless they are started with a license key. So devs will have to "register". Looking for an example? Look no further ... ANDROID! and IOS! That's how it starts.
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Agreed. Horde open-hardware today. I knew my collection of Thinkpads, NetVistas and other ancient kit would pay off. I probably have enough now, it can see me through to retirement.
 
All of the AV legislation seems to revolve around the idea of an "app store" being the only model.

Lennart Poettering's new company which claims to be "Bringing determinism and verifiable integrity to Linux systems" is all about verified, attested, whatever you want to call it...

It has been speculated to be just a Microsoft spin off, perhaps due to the numbers of ex Microsofters involved.

Ubuntu, as he points out at the foot of the article, has been working to produce an Apple style "user experience" for many years. Many of these want to remain relevant, perhaps the can smell what's coming...
 
Attestation in and of itself is not a bad thing at all. The problem occurs when "The Man" takes away my freedom to attest *MY* software as it runs on *MY* hardware on *MY* terms, not theirs. This also translates into *MY* role as a parent to raise *MY* child the way *I* see fit, all within the confines of the law as defined by those who *WE THE PEOPLE* voted into their offices to do so. Things are rolling backwards. Who's asking for unelected officials with Napoleon complexes anyway?
 
kent_dorfman766 said:
The reason FOSS is a time-limited concept is that eventually all processing machines will be closed boot, meaning they won't run unless they are started with a license key. So devs will have to "register". Looking for an example? Look no further ... ANDROID! and IOS! That's how it starts.
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Don't throw out those old laptops and desktops. If you have space, hang on to some of them, so that you have some machines you can still run 'free as in freedom' software on. Closed boot, if it happens, will kill FOSS dead. Stock up on old thinkpads; see if you can get hold of a job-lot of ex-ISS thinkpads from NASA surplus disposals. They must have some of these knocking around, that they want to sell. 😁

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Why, oh why, did IBM sell off the thinkpad division...? 😪 😫
 
While I agree that the age verification is a "foot in the door" thing that will escalate to further ham-fisted legislation I don't share phk's view that this will go all the way to making OSS operating systems impossible or useless.
 
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