The OP needs to grow up. It's inappropriate to make demands like this, and not respect a process in which he wants an end result.
You keep saying that I am making demands. You took my original post as demanding that someone here port it. I have said repeatedly that I am not even suggesting that someone here port it, and that all I am asking is if there is interest. In response, I keep being told that I am demanding that someone here do something. If there is not enough interest to get Apple to do a port, then I do not think it would be worth it from my perspective to do a port (by me or anyone else on here). What is so odd is that no matter how many times I repeat that my only question is, is there interest in a port, I keep getting told to stop demanding one.
The person is making a demand for a port, while, claming no one else should do it, but it happen.
No, I repeat over and over that my only question is are people interested in have Swift on FreeBSD. I have said the same thing over and over. I specifically say I do not expect anyone here to do any work other than express interest in a product, and it does not matter, because you have decided what I mean despite my plain words over and over. You might be able to misinterpret my first post (I can see how someone could read it as asking why no one here has done it), but not one post after that is anything but clear as to what my request is.
Then, the next demands someone here to port it, twice, as far as I saw.
Please quote my text from anything other than my first post where I demand (or ever suggest) that anyone here should do anything other than express interest in the port. Just one time where I say that.
A Swift port would be difficult, and it's not as simple as a basic port with few to no dependencies.
Which is why I want to know if there is interest, and why I, as I have said over and over, I would not expect it to be a community port.
If you're not going to respect the porting process, why ask to have it ported?
I did not ask to have it ported. In response to what it seems was a misinterpretation of my first port, I have clarified repeatedly that 1) it is not my interest in having someone here port it, and that 2) all I want it to know if there is interest.
If Apple ports it, then that's great.
Which will only happen if there is actually interest expressed in using Swift on FreeBSD.
If not, why anger everyone here?
You seem to be quite good at angering yourselves. No matter how many times I clarify, repeat, and state what I am asking, I keep getting told I am asking for something else.
Who knows, you could anger Apple to not want to port it, by telling them how you tell us here.
I do not have to do anything to anger Apple, you guys are quite capable of doing that yourselves. In each of the threads discussing Swift on FreeBSD, the bulk of the actual comments on Swift and Apple are negative. (”I would recommend against anyone using Swift”, I bought a book about Swift a long time ago and decided it was only for developing for i-products, Apple‘s Harvard MBA’s will arbitrarily make this open source product unusable for no reason at all, etc.).
Demanding isn't helpful to getting Swift ported.
Again, please quote any post outside the first one where anything I say can be viewed as a demand for anyone to do anything.
Doing some actual work, like looking at a Makefile or listening when others tell you about the porting process would be helpful.
Before it would make sense for anyone to bother looking at anything, it would first make sense to determine if there was interest. That is the question I keep asking and yet, no one who is interested in Swift has responded to this thread at all. Not one person. There has not been a thread about Swift on here in five years. On the Swift Forum, there had been little interest, so I thought raising the question of interest here would get a more concentrated group of FreeBSD users where if there were people interested it would be easier to find them.
But, you know, you make demands, and don't want to learn. It also shows you won't have respect for a volunteer's work.
No, I do not make any demands, as I say over and over. Not one of the people who lecture me on the community porting process has expressed interest in having the product, they are singularly focused on the process for someone here doing something that no one seems to want.
Ports don't magically appear, is a fact.
Nor has anyone asked for a port to magically appear.
I said this, after the person doesn't respect the porting process, doesn't respect learning about porting, and was rude to those who explained early on about ports.
Here is a review of this thread. I asked a question to gage interest in Swift on FreeBSD. Some people here misinterpreted that question to be a request that someone here do a port. I clarified that my only interest is in determining interest in having the product to which the response was not: ”Oh, I see how we misinterpreted what you were asking“, but no matter what you say you are asking, we want to talk about something else.
Further when people actually comment on the real question (interest in Swift on FreeBSD), they are exclusively negative. Now it is certainly possible that there is a great majority of people who are dying for this port to happen, but they have never posted a question about interest in having it (either here or on the Swift Forum), and that they are afraid to say anything about their interest because, no matter how in capable of doing a port themselves they might be, they did not want to get lectured about expressing that opinion, but I think that is unlikely.
Swift itself as an Apple product.
Yes, it is. They themselves has ported it and its libraries to three different Linux distributions and provide primary (or secondary) support for several other versions. They also have directly supported development of many server side tools.
That in itself may be advertising or pr for their company and product. I can't predict if it would be in Apple's interest, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did or considered it.
Apple has clearly decided that they see a benefit in Swift being as widely available as is possible, hence their expanding porting effort. They have also decided that Swift on the Server is valuable, going as far as including sessions about it in the World Wide Developer Conference this year. Given that, it seems reasonable to expect (despite the pronouncements by someone on here), that if there was a large expressed interest for it on this platform, Apple would do a port themselves.
MBA's are expected within such a group. Not necessarily from Harvard, or any other particular university.
In Apple’s engineering organization, there are very few MBA’s and the commenter was very specific that he was talking about Harvard MBAs in particular.
Because it is. It's veiled, but at the same time apparent enough to notice it in the tone.
No, it is not. I respond over and over clarifying my request and keep getting told that it does not matter what the plain meaning of my words is, but that they mean something else. It is just odd.
<< I want it ported. I didn't ask anyone to port it, except for 1 person I asked to port it, because they brought up porting it.
No, I am interested in having Swift on FreeBSD. I have not ever asked anyone here to port it. I repeat that over and over, and keep being told that is what I want. When people tell me that is what I am asking, I never agree with them, but again clarify that all I want to know is is there interest, and keep getting told that is not what I am asking.
I didn't ask anyone to port it,
I did not ask anyone to port it, I asked if there was an interest in having the product. These are not the same thing no matter how much you seem to want them to be.
I asked Apple to port it.
On the Swift Forum, I am one of a small number of people who expressed interest in having Swift on FreeBSD. On this forum, I did not ask Apple to do anything. I said that if there was enough interest, it would be likely that Apple would do a port.
I won't acknowledge that if Apple doesn't port it, the only way it can be ported is if a volunteer ports it.
Actually, that is not the only way it could be ported, nor is even necessarily the most likely way for it to happen, but is certainly one way it could happen. I have never disputed that, I just have said, that is not my interest, nor have I requested that.
I don't have respect for the contributions of volunteers.
I very much respect the contributions of volunteers and I am keenly aware of the issues with deploying scarce resources (including my own). That is why I keep saying that my interest is in determining if there is interest in having the product. If there was enough interest, including from enough people who control budgets, a group on here could directly fund a port, without having a single volunteer work on it.
I'm going to Linux, but I'm still here demanding it be ported.
I have quite a few FreeBSD systems, and never said I would move any of their tasks to Linux. What I did say is that, since there seems to be no interest in having the product, I was resigned to using it for the deployment of my server side swift applications. Again, not once have I demanded anything, let alone a Swift port.
Why isn't it ported? I didn't ask why it wasn't ported. Don't explain the porting process to me, I don't want to know about it, I just want it ported. I'm not interested in the porting process, I just want it ported. >>
A summary of this thread: Me: Is there interest in Swift on FreeBSD? This forum: No, stop demanding that we volunteers do work for you. Me: I am not demanding that you do anything, just asking if people are interested in using this product. This forum: See, there you go again demanding we do a port for you! Here is a long lecture on how our community porting process works. Me: I am not asking anyone to do anything, and certainly not demanding it, I just want to know if there is interest. This forum: You are terrible, you keep making demands. Me: What demands have I made? I am just asking if there is interest. This forum: Swift is only used for writhing UI based applications on Apple products and even if it were to be available it would have no value, and here is another lecture on our porting process. Me: I am not asking anyone here to do a port, I am asking if anyone would want to use a port. This forum: There you go demanding a port again, despite your stating the exact opposite, we clearly know what you mean and despite your plain words, you clearly are demanding something from us. Stop it.
As I said, it is just odd.
