Ok Im Grafi
Im completely green in terms of bsd.
Im a long time linux user starting with slackware 9 who stick to vanilla debian for last 6-7 years. And try some others distro too.
Im not scare by cli environments and editing configs manualy. Bsd installer looks crazy (diffrent) compare to arch slackware or debian cli
Port systems is the sexi thing in terms of bsd for me.
I want to have ability to compile every little thing from scratch / source the way i want to.
No linux distro except gentoo (portage) or arch (in some way) give its user that option.
But im not a fan of rolling release systems ang gentoo is to complex to set up properly
On bsd it looks and feel way simpler
Next thing is that BSD is a whole system not just a kernel with bunch of programs that are added by different people then we call it distribution of linux
Im aware that BSD is not linux and im aware of some tech differences.
Different dir structure
different shell tools or if you prefer commands
Every network device have its own network config and interface (you change your card you must change configs and the interface name is diffrent ).
and so on
But im as noob and as green as it could be in terms of bsd systems.
So I do not want to be that annoying guy on forum that ask stupid questions.
I read the forum from some time.
Can you please point me direction for desktop oriented Freebsd info. Manulal partitioning for desktop /boot / /home? or /usr/home/user/name
Some parts BSD calog structure is a mistry for me
Yes i'm aware of Gost Bsd, True OS an things like that.
But the case is i wont to lern the system by everyday use as a desktop then as server when i will learn its anatomy.
Yes i know that Free bsd is not desktop oriented os.
Im currently reading a FreeBSD 7. Installation and configuration by Bryan J. Hong as my main help guide .
Book is grat definitly server oriented lack of some info but very helpfull.
I think AMD is really the one to go with now. I've been using Intel for a decade or so, last AMD I used was a K7 or something like that. I mean an 8 core / 16 thread 4.4GHz peak CPU for around three hundred USD, what's not to love. Plus their chipsets have more features than Intel now. I'm looking forward to running FreeBSD on the AMD desktop system I'm planning to put together, I expect to be impressed.FWIW, I had an AMD 6100; it worked great with FreeBSD the whole time I had it. I've been running AMD cpus for many years now; that was never a problem with FreeBSD.
I have loaded FreeBSD now at least 6 times and I finally have it running pretty well. I made a lot of stupid mistakes.
sudo make fetch extract
It's a direct descendant of the original UNIX. We have a "real" family tree: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/share/misc/bsd-family-tree?revision=349295&view=markupAccording to some document I felt FreeBSD is more pure unix than linux.
there is a bit of me in this comment ... you feel the rage and disappointment of Microsoft Windows and the desire to migrate to better options, admire your efforts studying the handbook and then definitely implement the changes to this system. One of the powerful reasons that brought me to freebsd is that feeling of real and true freedom almost transparent, I feel so calm and free sailing through these waters that I dedicate myself to pay the price by having to face its well deserved learning curve. Linux is not what it used to be, it is a community that is too defragmented and a system that is now too polluted and I don't trust it too much. FreeBSD is one in every sense of the word, it motivates us to remain focused on it.My decision to migrate our business to FreeBSD was triggered by Windows10. For the first time, Windows 10 made me feel like I do not own my computer, this was the breaking point. With windows XP all the way to Windows 7, and to a certain extent Windows 8, I felt like Stallman & Cie were kind of excessive ideologues with their free software talk.
I didn't feel anything like oppressed, limited or controlled when using Windows. This all changed with Windows 10 when I found myself constantly fighting against my computer. What I found the most shocking is the harassment to install system updates. Every dark pattern trick ever invented is used. I am the kind of person who constantly leaves my computer powered on to avoid wasting time opening development environments, documents, and other applications and projects I am currently working on every morning. I also tend to keep things open to remember to come back to them a few days later. I could go on for months without rebooting.
However, with windows10, if you haven't installed an update for a few days, try stopping using your computer for 30 minutes or - better - going to bed, and when you come back you will have the good surprise of finding that your computer has rebooted itself to install updates (that are sometimes followed by intensive I/O operations slowing your computer down for hours after the update - without you knowing exactly what's taking place in the background).
If it wasn't enough, random applications such as Candy Crush Saga are now added with every update. Advertisements are now included in the start menu apparently with plans to put ads in the file explorer too. And a bunch of creepy features such as so-called "cognitive services" offering to record and analyze each of your keystrokes give me the uncomfortable feeling that everything I do on my computer is being watched by someone and that nothing is truly private. To the point that I have become worried of writing certain documents on Windows 10. If a backdoor exists, the government can subpoena its way through it and hackers may gain access to it too. Moreover, it is not clear what kind of metadata/data about my system Microsoft now stores in the cloud.
There are many other issues, some of them could apparently be mitigated by upgrading to the "Professional" version of Windows 10 which supposedly provides finer-grained configuration options. But there is a breach of trust at this point, the whole foundation on which this OS is built no longer feels right to me. Moreover the direction they are heading to is pretty obvious.
Having seen how Windows 10 got in the way of my productivity, I realized how much it can kill the productivity of employees. Employees would be better served by workstations configured from the bottom up to allow them to get their job done without friction.
So I decided to find an open-source OS that would be stable and no-nonsense. I rapidly came across FreeBSD and after a few months of studying the Handbook, something else happened. For the first time, I realized how comfortable it feels to know the ins and outs of your system and to have a comprehensive documentation for every system utility. This does not exist in the Windows world and I suddenly realized how much time is wasted guessing, and looking up stuff on Google, only to find a list of tricks and workarounds working or not working without clear reasons. And this is without even mentioning artificial system limitations introduced by Microsoft.
I am now irritated every time I have to use a Windows system. And to add to this irony, even Linux does not fit the bill for me at this point. I find it too inconsistent, bloated and poorly documented. I want to leave this type of ecosystem behind. I want a system that I can configure exactly the way I need, and I want to know that what works today will continue to work tomorrow. I want to know that investing time to learn something today is time well-invested because the paradigm will remain stable for the next 10, 20 or 30 years rather than being disrupted from one update to the other. And I want to know that my time and our employees time will not be wasted because someone decided to fix something that wasn't broken.
My only regret with FreeBSD is the major upgrade process which introduces more friction than I had hoped. In particular with regard to the need to rebuild every package which requires users to backup and manually restore every customized configuration file after the upgrade (if I understand correctly). If it was possible to at least keep the configuration files of packages intact when they are rebuilt/re-installed it would be perfect. However, upgrading is - at it seems to stand - a high-risk and high-friction operation (what about if you forget to restore a customized configuration file from a third-party software you use). This may be good to encourage automating configuration deployment, however it makes the burden of system maintenance quite high for situations where such extensive automation adds more complexity and overhead than it solves problems (single server, focusing on going to market fast and iterating fast and grow the farm progressively as demand increases etc...).
However apart from that I feel more than happy to migrate both our servers and workstations to FreeBSD. I want a single operating system to be used throughout the company so that we get to know our system in depth. I also find it preferable that software be developed and tested on the platform on which it will run. For the rest, FreeBSD makes it inspiring to configure and deploy corporate workstations. For example, jails can be used to sandbox email clients to safeguard them in front of dangerous attachments. And the same is true for web browsers. And these are just a few examples, with many regards FreeBSD opens up many opportunities. And the fact that it runs on so many platforms make this vision of FreeBSD everywhere even more interesting from servers to workstations all the way to embedded devices sold to consumers.
There are excellent alternatives to make everything easier than perhaps few we know as desktop-installer (thanks to Jason W. Bacon, Acadix Consulting, LLC ), it is a script to install desktops in freebsd and leaves the system practically ready for immediate use.Started with Windows and did quite a bit of system development, debugging, hacking and more on it. This was ~95-2015.
In parallel gradually started with GNU+Linux. Evolution: debian 2005 -> ubuntu 2010 -> arch 2013 -> gentoo 2015 (as my knowledge deepened).
I started using FreeBSD in 2016 for work, mostly networking, jails and cloud development, also Java software development.
Things I like most in FreeBSD: ZFS, OpenRC init system, resource and process efficient (no bloating), very friendly community, stability and continuity, knows its focus.
Things that could be improved: Certain parts of the practical daily usage could be a little more user friendly (mostly for the newcommers). Certain parts of the documentation could be refined or extended.
All in all, it's a great OS and while not covering all my use cases, it's one of the 2 I will be using in future.
I also had a thinkpad x230 and freebsd worked perfectly!Hi folks,
I'm a long term GNU/Linux user. Startet in 1999 with SUSE Linux, but with the release of Woody I switched to Debian GNU/Linux. Over the years I tried a lot of other GNU/Linux distros, but for my daily driver and for servers I stayed with Debian.
FreeBSD now is relatively new to me, I startet using it with 11.0. First on VM, than on a little server. Until now I have not done some exotic thinks with FreeBSD, just run my little private Nextcloud instance on it.
But now I will dive a bit deeper into FreeBSD and (maybe) also switch to FreeBSD as my daily driver. My hardware is my beloved Thinkpad X230, so FreeBSD should run well on this.
There are excellent alternatives to make everything easier than perhaps few we know as desktop-installer (thanks to Jason W. Bacon, Acadix Consulting, LLC ), it is a script to install desktops in freebsd and leaves the system practically ready for immediate use.I'll start with that
https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/...-set-up-a-freebsd-desktop-from-scratch.61659/
https://www.linuxhelp.com/how-to-install-xfce-desktop-in-freebsd but with port build
Im courious if it work on AMD FX(tm)-6100 Six-Core Processor
... you feel the rage and disappointment of Microsoft Windows and the desire to migrate to better options...
That's because linux was built by people who just wanted to "not pay" nothing more. Not paying is not big enough goal to reach you high targets.Problem with Linux is it has tried too hard to be a Windows replacement.
That's because linux was built by people who just wanted to "not pay" nothing more. ...
Also I think there are other hands helping windows to keep up, like some top international business companies, ...
... they always want windows IDK why, maybe windows is selling them information.
But free OSs are always proud not to be like a pet for any one.
Thank you for the reply and I'm happy you like my post.stratact :
For me working with FreeBSD has been best days of my computer experience.
I spent very short time in linux so I can't judge it very much, but after I installed FreeBSD my working level has significantly advanced.
From a gamer in windows, spent a few time in linux and now I enjoy learning programing in FreeBSD.
Here you have advantage of working with both BSD, and GPL licenses. You have full access to GPL programs that passed their exam very well.
gshred
.Linux hasn't gone to systemd. Systemd is just a choice of init system. Yes some distributions have opted to use systemd as their default init system but Linux isn't being restricted to any single init system.I did not like Linux going to systemd
Linux hasn't gone to systemd. Systemd is just a choice of init system. Yes some distributions have opted to use systemd as their default init system but Linux isn't being restricted to any single init system.
There is a nearby project with netbsd-based network and computer security tools called blackbsd that apparently is still under development.This is a re-introduction. I came to FreeBSD a few years back because I did not like Linux going to systemd, as well as some other changes.
Then I became frustrated with FreeBSD because I could not use dropbox, and could not update to newer LibreOffice. Also afraid that systemd may kill the BSDs anyway, once systemd is required to run the apps.
Now I am looking at FreeBSD again. I am using ParrotOS (based on Debian, so systemd). ParrotOS is a security version of Linux, like Kali.
I have recently had it crash on startup with a kernel panic. I have never had the problem with Linux before.
I am trying to learn some security stuff. I am not sure if any of the BSDs would be good for that.