Delay in FreeBSD 14.0 release schedule

[Jose]

I *am* such an systems administrator for a company. And *the hell* I would schedule upgrades of critical systems either based on some *expected* (it actually says so on the release schedule page!) RELEASE-date and in general never directly after a new major release.

I'm no longer in your shoes, but what I learned when I was is you never, ever "upgrade" production systems to a .0 release. That goes in the lab for fleering and misc hilarity. I paid a lot of tuition in lost sleep to learn that lesson.

Ask me what happened when the large software company I was working for decided to trick our users by calling what should've been an 8.0 release 7.2.

 

[astyle]

Including (UNIX-like) FreeBSD systems? (If you're allowed to say.)

The systems I know and have heard about (reminder, I'm just on the sidelines there) run RHEL 7.2 or something like that... My educated guess is that FreeBSD is not part of the infrastructure. If a system is causing problems, there will be chatter about it.

 

[George]

The release announcement is scheduled for Tuesday.

 

[UnixRocks]

Adding my $2 to the "I am one of those administrators" voices. Our FreeBSD hosts are all still on 12.4 and will be upgraded to 13.2 over the next few weeks only because 12.4 is going EoL. We never upgrade to the latest release in production. Latest releases go on lab boxes, and stay there.

That said, we have a firewalled host that serves FreeRADIUS logins for some ancient customer connections out in the boonies. It is running 12.0-RELEASE and will not ever be upgraded because it works fine as is, and has zero accessibility from anywhere but the handful of IP addresses allowed in layer 2. Once those customer connections are upgraded, that host will just be shut down.

 

[grahamperrin]

… Plasma it is not very much stable on any hardware.

From the most recent status report:

❝… The KDE team (kde@) is part of desktop@ and x11@, building the software stack to make FreeBSD beautiful and usable as a daily-driver graphical desktop workstation. …❞

Re: <https://wiki.freebsd.org/Desktop#Contact>, anyone who lurks in areas such as #freebsd-desktop for FreeBSD (and more broadly <https://matrix.to/#/#plasma:kde.org> and <https://matrix.to/#/#kde:kde.org>) might begin to know the reality about Plasma, and about the cooperative work from which multiple desktop environments benefit.

I have used KDE Plasma and SDDM on FreeBSD, nearly always FreeBSD-CURRENT, since around 2015.

Plasma and SDDM are not a broken mess.

 

[Alex Seitsinger]

So, uh, I could be reading something wrong? When should "we" expect said release to be "released"?

 

[bakul]

When should "we" expect said release to be "released"?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C6EwLTAvHc

 

[bgroper]

FreeBSD 14.0 is now fully baked, and ready to serve at a CDN proxy near you.

 

[msplsh]

Oh noes, now I have to upgrade all my 12 installs

 

[grahamperrin]

Thanks,

FreeBSD 14.0 is now fully baked,

Missing links at <https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/>. Since I resigned, I'm unable to directly fix things such as this, so there's a pull request in GitHub. Fixed (committed, thanks to Colin).

Also, please note the upgrade-related caution at <https://www.reddit.com/comments/14jq2gj/-/k9gyhp8/>

FreeBSD 14.0 release information - BlendIT - BSD Cafe

# Main page https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/ [https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/] # Highlights Announcement: - https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/announce/ [https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/announce/] Installation instructions: -...

blendit.bsd.cafe

 

[drhowarddrfine]

Thanks,

Also, please note the upgrade-related caution

Here's the far more appropriate link to the warning from the FreeBSD site.

Never, EVER use reddit as a reference for anything!

 

[gpw928]

The announcement is official: FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE Announcement.

 

[astyle]

Thanks,


Here's the far more appropriate link to the warning from the FreeBSD site.

Never, EVER use reddit as a reference for anything!

What do you know.... even the Reddit-sourced warning referenced the official Handbook! Oh, and it made the same points I always do - telling users to NOT SKIP STEPS and do things in order...

 

[drhowarddrfine]

astyle One should always go straight to the source and not through an intermediary. Especially a low-class one.

 

[astyle]

astyle One should always go straight to the source and not through an intermediary. Especially a low-class one.

Y'know, you can look at the situation this way: Even Reddit is finally getting the important points that Forums try to communicate... Oh, and you should see who authored that particular Reddit thread - an official documentation committer for FreeBSD... hmmm?

 

[grahamperrin]

that particular Reddit thread - an official documentation committer for FreeBSD

No longer a committer, but thanks; I'm alumnus.

For someone who's a tad more official, try this

 

[drhowarddrfine]

astyle Yes. After you wade through all the trash and bile, you can find something in that heap of dung.

I'd rather spend my time and efforts in more respectable areas and maintain my reputation with a modicum of decor.

In case anyone is confused about my opinion of reddit which NPR calls, "A Frankenstein's monster even they can't control."

 

[astyle]

astyle Yes. After you wade through all the trash and bile, you can find something in that heap of dung.

I'd rather spend my time and efforts in more respectable areas and maintain my reputation with a modicum of decor.

In case anyone is confused about my opinion of reddit which NPR calls, "A Frankenstein's monster even they can't control."

Would your reaction to Reddit be any different if you knew that even members of FreeBSD's core dev team actually have a presence there?

 

[drhowarddrfine]

astyle Their presence there has greatly diminished over the last 10 years for all the reasons I mention. I think they only go there to touch base among the poor and uneducated and support for the cause but probably hate to doing so.

Reddit is a cesspool. No one can deny that. One should be embarrassed to take part in it. Colin, and others, are far more present on HN

When there are so many other exceedingly better sources of information and people, such as here, why go to reddit?

EDIT: This is turning into the sort of confrontational thread that misses the point I made so I won't participate in it anymore.

 

[Alex Seitsinger]

WHY DONT MY PKGS WORK

 

[grahamperrin]

WHY DONT MY PKGS WORK

Other readers might not get the joke

 

[astyle]

WHY DONT MY PKGS WORK

Yeah, there's not enough context for me to understand the joke or detect sarcasm. And in this case, I'm not exactly inspired to re-read the whole thread to re-create the missing context.

 

[grahamperrin]

… not enough context for me to understand the joke or detect sarcasm. …

Sorry!

I had glimpsed a few comments (I don't know where) from Alex Seitsinger after I returned (whenever that was). He's probably not a person who needs help with non-base packages following a base upgrade.

I don't like making assumptions about people's skills, but, from speeding through search results, <https://forums.freebsd.org/posts/609166> might be a good example of his skill level.

Non-base packages​

CodeHead :freebsd: (@codehead@mstdn.social)

My personal #FreeBSD 13.2 -> 14 upgrade instructions: - freebsd-update fetch - freebsd-update install - freebsd-update upgrade -r 14.0-RELEASE - freebsd-update install - shutdown -r now - freebsd-update install - pkg bootstrap -f - pkg update - pkg upgrade - freebsd-update install - shutdown -r...

mstdn.social

This social media post gained the attention of emaste@ and led to a post-release improvement to documentation in the <https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/> area.

14.0R/installation: mention pkg in addition to ports · freebsd/freebsd-doc@7c8b485

Reported by: Ned Wolpert Reviewed by: karels Sponsored by: The FreeBSD Foundation Differential Revision: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D42693

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