About police

[ralphbsz]

Alain already answered this:

I guess Alain drinks too much and cannot take care of his dog.

Alain De Vos I think it's time for a detox.

I don't want to get too close into people's personal life ... but sadly, I agree that eternal_noob's conclusion is likely.

Dear Alain: If you need help getting your life organized and your problems straightened out, it is difficult for people on a discussion forum to do that, because we're too far away, and we don't know you well enough. All I can offer is encouragement to start working on it by yourself, or with people who are near you (both physically and emotionally, like friends and family). I know, that's not very helpful. But being an optimist, maybe the recent legal problem with the dog is a wake-up call to start improving things.

Or watch soccer to feel better. I heard that the game yesterday (Belgium vs. USA) was both very fun football, and also politically satisfying.

 

[Crivens]

Alain De Vos If you don't want to lawyer up, or can't, maybe go see a priest about this? Most of them will help you with this, and will not be judgemental. And you said your brother walked your dog also, so he could ask for the dog to be returned to him untill you got your ducks in a row?

And again, did they leave any paperwork and did you sign anything? Because in case you signed something, that might be bad. And no paperwork would indicate that this was not legal. In other words, theft.

 

[Phishfry]

I think it is wild speculation to assume drinking had any part to do with this. My guesses were video game swatting or evil ex-student with axe to grind.
All it takes is one call. They po-po will come knocking. It's their job.

 

[eternal_noob]

I think it is wild speculation to assume drinking had any part to do with this.

It's not. Alain's spelling skills have suffered a bit lately.

video game swatting

We don't do this in Europe. That's a USA thing.

 

[SirDice]

All it takes is one call.

Not in the Netherlands, and as far as I know not in Belgium (laws regarding animal welfare are fairly similar).

This might have some useful information for you Alain De Vos

(Huis)dieren in beslag genomen? Handel snel! - GEVACO Advocaten

Uit cijfers die werden bekendgemaakt door de Vlaamse minister voor Dierenwelzijn, dhr. Ben Weyts (N-VA), blijkt dat er in 2019 dubbel zoveel dieren in beslag zijn genomen in vergelijking met het jaar voordien.

advocatenbureau-gevaco.be

 

[Phishfry]

Yes that remark is in regards to a possible complaintant. All it takes is one complaint for police presence.

Disgrunted neighbor, postman, literally anybody can call. Probably anonymously.

With "Animal Welfare" checks the burden of 'proof of crime' is even less because animals can't talk.

 

[Phishfry]

I wonder if the whole story isn't fake.

Lets see some proof! I want mugshots.

 

[ralphbsz]

I wonder if the whole story isn't fake.

Lets see some proof! I want mugshots.

This is not the right time or opportunity to be rude or obnoxious.

 

[Phishfry]

"Mug"shot was supposed to be humorous.

 

[fjdlr]

Alain De Vos
In Belgium, cops can enter a house with what mandate? A complaint has been filed against you, Alain? By whom? Neighbors? Have you ever received warnings? Summons to appear? You need to contact legal help Don't be intimidated Attack!

 

[fff2024g]

European feudalism ended in the 15th century. Of the 44 European countries, only 7 still have a monarchy [*]. And those are all constitutional monarchies. My country for example the King only has a ceremonial function, nothing more. So no, the King doesn't "own" me, or my pets, or anything else for that matter.

[*] 7 actual Kingdoms (Belgium, Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway, Spain, Sweden, and the United Kingdom). There are also 3 principalities (Andorra, Liechtenstein, and Monaco) and 1 grand duchy (Luxemburg). And last but not least, one elected monarchy (Vatican city).

thanks. study it. wish the your world was beautiful . if i have money, i will try to test your life.

 

[eternal_noob]

In Belgium, cops can enter a house with what mandate?

If you can't take care of your pets, police can enter your house and take them. Same with children.

 

[scottro]

Wow, we sure do seem to have a lot of advice. Alain De Vos hasn't posted in this thread since Monday. We've also made a lot of guesses with not too much information. Hard to give advice, or suggestions, without really knowing what happened. Although Phishfry's photo was worth a chuckle.

 

[fjdlr]

If you can't take care of your pets, police can enter your house and take them. Same with children.

So, this is a country where the law of denunciation reigns: you report someone, and the police take action. Where is the judicial ruling? An accusation must be verified; evidence or repeated testimony from multiple sources should lead to a presumption of guilt. Otherwise, it opens the door to a police state. Admittedly, it is a trend that has become deeply entrenched these days...

 

[eternal_noob]

Shoot first, ask questions later. Happens all the time.

 

[drhowarddrfine]

Although it's an off topic subforum, I don't see the point of it being posted here.

 

[Zare]

There are too many assumptions here.
Yes the police has probable cause at their disposal. They can see something and react upon it, no need for a warrant.
I mean if they saw someone beating somebody through a window, they don't need to record it and send it to the judge. They just storm in.

I also don't know what to feel about alcohol being dragged into the discussion especially if Alain did not speak about this.

It is not illegal to drink. Belgium is a drinking country. Are you telling me all dog owners in Belgium are sober?

Lawyer is the only choice here. He is able to collect official versions of everything that happened. In an hour he can get official log of what happened at Alain's place. Alain says apathia, others say booze, neither is a crime and a reason to take away the dog. There must be something else.

 

[Zare]

P.S. I don't have experience with warrant searches, but with warrantless, where the actual person reveals something to the police - case where police asks you 'what do you have on yourself/in your car' or the person lets them into their premises and they spot something - they have to log it and you have to sign it.

Example if you walk around the street with a big kitchen knife the police may take it away but you will have to either sign or not sign the "we took it away" paper, choice that makes some differences if/when the case comes to court. In this case, actually signing the form may point to guilt - you are aware the kitchen knife is a dangerous sight. No sign, like I don't agree with you taking away my kitchen knife as I need it for my kitchen, actually benefits the case at the court.

Then again, the signature at that form might be fought in the court because the private person the knifeyielder is not a lawyer and he is not aware of legal consequences of the signature, while its being presented by police officers (claim you felt threatened).

For all of this you need a lawyer.