A datacenter in space might be the silliest idea ever proposed.

Look at the old publications from Microsoft (and others?), building data centers that can be submerged. I think that was in the late 90s or early 2000s.
Yes, I read about the project linked in post #24. I think the time just hasn't come yet. But it will. I'm more thinking about a mobile data center that can navigate in three dimensions and dynamically connect to global networks in the depths of the ocean...:-/
 
bearing balls and some explosive.
Not even need this. Some piece of junk on a collision course is all it needs (a Tesla for example.)
Don't underestimate the velocity orbiting objects need to stay there, the kinetic energy they possess and how fragile sattelites or space stations are.

For many people space seems to be some modern kind of "settlement in the west without indians" - our place is trashed up, so now we need more space to dump our junk.
When I see all those fancy ideas what all should be launched up into space it's proof to me, many people too strong believe in fairy tales science fiction movies tell, but have no real idea how space reality actually is.
One example that proves this to me is, like until the 1980s there have been only discussions, what all needs to be build where, but only some not to be taken seriously fancy eco-freaks anybody is allowed to make fun of tried to think of how to avoid trash and cleaning up.

Before one thinks of sending up even more junk, one better answers the question first,
how to clean up to get enough space for all that new junk?

Wkipedia: Space debris

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We needed 300 years to trash our planet, 50 years to even start any cleaning up at all lagging crucially behind, and still the trashing up still continues - accelerating.
We already trashed up our space. Needed 70 years for that. Not yet even started to clean up there, but only thinking of what more junk we can launch up there and trashing up space even more - accelerating.

Currently, where the limits of what our planet can bear are apparently exceeded, we elect governments telling us, that all this green environment protection bogus is just a complete load, climate change ain't nothing we need to care about at all, lack of resources is all just fairy tales made up by fancy morons lost contact to reality better not listen to.

Elon ain't no better do-gooder than all the rest of those capitalist. He also decoys and disguises his ideas with making the world a better place. That's called white- or green- or brain-washing.
In fact it's only even more trashing up, even more waste of resources and even more destruction of the environment for to make a few ones shovel even more money in their own pockets. And nothing else.

It's like in the bad old days again we greybeards already saw in the 1970s...1990s.
Cleaning up does not pay off. Only producing even more junk does. So:
Who wants to clean up? Nobody.
Who wants to produce even more junk? Everybody.
What about resources and environment? Let others care about that later.
Where shall all the power come from we need for that stunt? Nuclear power.
How shall this all be payed? Subventions by tax payers money.
Groundhog Day.
The only new thing so far by the last 300 years is, we don't trash up Earth but space instead.
But that's only because Earth cannot be trashed up anymore.

If we don't learn how to save resources, stop wasting space, stop destroying the environment, stop to trash up our place, and how to clean up, it's completely pointless to expand anywhere, because that will not solve anything but expand our problems only.
And if we learn that, we can also stay here.
 
Not even need this. Some piece of junk on a collision course is all it needs (a Tesla for example.)
Don't underestimate the velocity orbiting objects need to stay there, the kinetic energy they possess and how fragile sattelites or space stations are.

For many people space seems to be some modern kind of "settlement in the west without indians" - our place is trashed up, so now we need more space to dump our junk.
When I see all those fancy ideas what all should be launched up into space it's proof to me, many people too strong believe in fairy tales science fiction movies tell, but have no real idea how space reality actually is.
One example that proves this to me is, like until the 1980s there have been only discussions, what all needs to be build where, but only some not to be taken seriously fancy eco-freaks anybody is allowed to make fun of tried to think of how to avoid trash and cleaning up.

Before one thinks of sending up even more junk, one better answers the question first,
how to clean up to get enough space for all that new junk?

Wkipedia: Space debris

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We needed 300 years to trash our planet, 50 years to even start any cleaning up at all lagging crucially behind, and still the trashing up still continues - accelerating.
We already trashed up our space. Needed 70 years for that. Not yet even started to clean up there, but only thinking of what more junk we can launch up there and trashing up space even more - accelerating.

Currently, where the limits of what our planet can bear are apparently exceeded, we elect governments telling us, that all this green environment protection bogus is just a complete load, climate change ain't nothing we need to care about at all, lack of resources is all just fairy tales made up by fancy morons lost contact to reality better not listen to.

Elon ain't no better do-gooder than all the rest of those capitalist. He also decoys and disguises his ideas with making the world a better place. That's called white- or green- or brain-washing.
In fact it's only even more trashing up, even more waste of resources and even more destruction of the environment for to make a few ones shovel even more money in their own pockets. And nothing else.

It's like in the bad old days again we greybeards already saw in the 1970s...1990s.
Cleaning up does not pay off. Only producing even more junk does. So:
Who wants to clean up? Nobody.
Who wants to produce even more junk? Everybody.
What about resources and environment? Let others care about that later.
Where shall all the power come from we need for that stunt? Nuclear power.
How shall this all be payed? Subventions by tax payers money.
Groundhog Day.
The only new thing so far by the last 300 years is, we don't trash up Earth but space instead.
But that's only because Earth cannot be trashed up anymore.

If we don't learn how to save resources, stop wasting space, stop destroying the environment, stop to trash up our place, and how to clean up, it's completely pointless to expand anywhere, because that will not solve anything but expand our problems only.
And if we learn that, we can also stay here.
A good news for you is that I and many other people I know completely(or at least largely ) agree with you,and we are not greybeards.
 
Maturin I can not avoid seeing the parallel between the greybeards of old warning about environmental pollution and the greybeards of today warning about AI. I fear this will take a bad end as well.
 
It is actually an issue for some specialized applications. Those usually involve satellite-to-satellite communication. For example from a listening or photo satellite to a processing satellite (the "data center") to a disposable weapon satellite (with kinetic or energy weapon). If you want to do these things at sub-ms latency, you're not going to go down to earth and back up.
I think your response takes things out of context. Of course there will always be "low latency requirement" apps, but those apps are not on the internet anyways, and the "bring it to the masses" component means TCP/IP which allows for variable latency in the seconds range. Where space packet switching breaks down is that TCP/IP is an end to end channel, whereas space comms must deal with variable "next hop" conditions without regard to whether a complete path exists at time of transmission. The bundle protocol attempts to address this issue. For LEO stations TCP/IP is achievable. For deep space stations...it is not.
 
A good news for you is that I and many other people I know completely(or at least largely ) agree with you,and we are not greybeards.
Thanks.
Such words always help. And we shall not forget that, and keep supporting each other, cause we are still not a rock solid majority.

I used the term geybeards, 'cause it's a BS term suggesting it's about old and young, while like anything else it's actually about right or wrong.

The question is also for whom is that good news. You see, I am 54. My wife and I have no children. So we don't really need to bother anymore. But we do. While at the same time we see so many having kids and don't.

And when I look at the current worldwide economical and political situation we are by far neither enough, nor heading the right course, but in contrary steering more the opposite course again.
So there is more than enough left to do, before we can lean back.

I fear this will take a bad end as well.
Me too. But it doesn't necessarily has to.
I don't want to stress all the details about that topic again and again. (Difference between some LLM some programmer uses locally for their own work vs. students cheating on tests in school with CrapGPT.
Just last week even she told them explicitely not even to think of touching their smartphones and extra produced and hang up a foolproof sign "smartphones strictly forbidden" my wife collected 26 tests during one single class test: attempt to deceive, failed, F)
Summarized it's just a technical tool that left the laboratories of science too early, put in the hands of greedy capitalists, and confronts a society by far not even remotely mature enough to deal with it.


I like to recommend the movie WALL-E, USA 2008 at this point.

If this movie had been published when I was in school (1980s) perhaps a teacher had shown it to us on last day before summer vacation.
After the movie we were asked, 'What is the framework plot of it?'
One pupil, 'A lonely robot cleans up Earth, until there comes another one visiting...'
'No. That's the plot. I mean the framework, the superior plot, the overall idea.'
Quiet agonizing.
The nerd, 'It anticipates a possible future by the current situation where we are heading at if nothing is changed.'
'Very good! That's right.'
Everybody looking with grim at this grade grubber for not only knowing the answer on a difficult question, but also for putting it directly into the right words. "anticipating" What a geek!
Teacher, 'What question does this movie subtle ask the audience?'
Quiet agonizing.
Teacher trying to help, '...a possible future, where we are heading at if nothing is changed. What question does this raise?'
Quiet agonizing.
Teacher again, 'How is life for the humans in that future?'
Class clown, 'Boring, because there is no sex.'
Everybody laughing.
Teacher, 'Boring. That's right. The people are very bored.'
Other pupil, 'And they are all fat and immobile.'
'Decadent!' comes the nerd.
Teacher, 'Right. And how all this ends up?'
'They return to Earth.'
Teacher, 'Exactly. And now again: What question is raised by that subtle?'
Quiet agonizing.
The bell rings, everybody starts packing and storming out.
Teacher loud, 'If it is worth all the trouble at all, and if to head for this in the first place. Nice summer vacation!'
 
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