oliverh said:
@zeiz
Well as Roman Catholic atheist
Atheism is just another religion also based on a belief. So it must have its own fundamentalists...just to discharge religious voltage
oliverh said:
BSD was a great and huge product in the past (since the 70s), even with a commercial success (BSD/OS). Today it's still great, but a mere insider tip than well-known product.
Bingo! That's what we are trying to do: turn FreeBSD into well known product! To be such a logo and a name are extremely important though it's just $0.02 of contribution but it's magical one. Anybody is judged first by his costume, his appearance, his body language. Tons of samples when a quite worthless person achieves a lot only because of right appearance. And vice versa we dislike sometimes somebody because of his appearance, we reject him, we are not interested and we'd never know that it was Aesop. FreeBSD needs a promotion so it needs winning logo and winning trademark to successfully enter the promotion.
oliverh said:
As you can see, it's a mascot made by intelligent people. And 99% percent of FreeBSD users and developers are happy to see Chuck even today as mascot. The official logo btw. is this silly jumping-ball with two handles.
People could be intelligent in something and show luck of skills in something else, it's quite common. The "ball" is such a classic sample. It's wrong vision of the essence. I've never seen Chuck without the trident. Why so? Because without the trident he is just a cat or monkey. Face, head (bust
) indeed represent a human, essence represents a daemon. That's why on
this picture the falling one (on the left) shows us only his a.. but his trident is still there! :e
No need to handpick the mascot from 99% of
current users who would hopefully become 0.01% of future users. And it's impossible to take it off our devs. Both devs and current users are skilled enough to create their own walls, splashes etc. You love it? You have it! But for others it's only immature image of mature OS.
paean said:
That said it's very likely the emotional attachment to the old logo will hinder a new one. It's another reason I agreed that the trident would be suitable. It hints at the history of Beastie while not desperately sucking at nostalgia's teat.
That's right. Emotions never lead to success. Even in a theater if we are talking about an actor's career.
Let's get rid of such egoistic point of view, let's stop thinking about ourselves but rather think about FreeBSD and its future. I have strong feeling that "devil issue" has been pulled by ears to...keep the image. Many great projects has begun at uni by talented "teenagers" still inspired by Halloween, nihilism and strong willing to be different. Devils, ghosts, monsters...now plus robots, aliens...such stuff traditionally and successfully serve childhood. But kids grow and become adults. Eventually their symbols supposed to grow too. Times also matters. Let's imagine somebody hanging a banner from 50th on his Manhattan store nowadays.
Once more and finally: I am not about the imp and devilry in general. As I wrote if it would be a kinda Bugs Bunny or Sponge Bob or somebody's famous face I would write the same, namely poor logo implementation. Science and Art are on different poles of human's mentality. Nobody is talented in everything with exception of a very few "Da'Vinci". In reality everybody does his part of job. Thus Art must be done by Artist. We can only generate ideas for a professional designer.
Chuck served for years and like a loving father he's giving us such an idea, he leaves us his heritage that is already great opportunity: instead of creating something from scratch (times demand) we have a choice to inherit Chuck's essence as his simple, elegant, powerful and memorable trident.
) has done really well by giving their logo a really cartoony feel. I do tend to believe that FreeBSD really doesnt know in which direction to go for their artwork.
(sorry NetBSD 
