Slop Free Software

That's a great slop guide. I appreciate that they add the use case for the "AI". Some of the listed projects are using "AI" for code review but not for contribution. That's interesting.

Well, I did notice some "AI" commits in FreeBSD, they have 3 listed. :/
 
Well, seeing the list for FreeBSD commits using "AI" is no bueno for me. I guess I'll need to start getting some things together for moving systems over to NetBSD for the time being and hopefully the Core Team will release a policy soon. Ughhhh.........
 
LibreQuest said:
Well, seeing the list for FreeBSD commits using "AI" is no bueno for me. I guess I'll need to start getting some things together for moving systems over to NetBSD for the time being and hopefully the Core Team will release a policy soon. Ughhhh.........
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The tension is rising. Waiting for the first open source operating systems to sell their soul for a lot of money. Imagine Red Hat and Ubuntu taking government money to introduce the mandated standards. It wouldn't surprise me at all. The "enterprise" aiming distributions don't care and will try to eliminate competition with it. "They don't want age verification? That's nice..."
 
MG said:
The tension is rising. Waiting for the first open source operating systems to sell their soul for a lot of money. Imagine Red Hat and Ubuntu taking government money to introduce the mandated standards. It wouldn't surprise me at all. The "enterprise" aiming distributions don't care and will try to eliminate competition with it. "They don't want age verification? That's nice..."
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Sure, that's possible. It is hard to say no to contributions that come with financial strings attached. I wouldn't expect anything like that to be a likely outcome. I mean, it's likely going to come down to a few outcomes and the one least likely to fill dockets for years to come is most likely to occur. So, if it's ownership for the owners of the program that generates slop or the ownership goes to project devs who knows. But ownership is going to be decided at some point. Commercial software isn't a charity.
 
LibreQuest said:
Sure, that's possible. It is hard to say no to contributions that come with financial strings attached. I wouldn't expect anything like that to be a likely outcome. I mean, it's likely going to come down to a few outcomes and the one least likely to fill dockets for years to come is most likely to occur. So, if it's ownership for the owners of the program that generates slop or the ownership goes to project devs who knows. But ownership is going to be decided at some point. Commercial software isn't a charity.
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What I expect is that it's going to be in hardware. AI and age verification, and a few other recent OS-related implementations are all about the same goal: create an anvironment in software that is 100% abstracted from the hardware to seize the highest authority, beyond the physical user of the computer. Phone systems are already done in the factory. You can't run anything else than Android or iOS and you can't exit the system to metal level. The "keyboard" is a user-level program. It's no wired keyboard like USB on a PC. This is going to end too. The last real admin permissions on a consumer computer. Everything ruled by companies.
 
*click-click*

After reading up on a few in that list and I saw Vim and the "hard fork" called "eVI". A few more clicks and I thought I'd share the resulting quote from a discussion.
> > :) now we just gotta find people who know vimscript and c...
> yeah, thankfully i know some C, but not vimscript... i just used vim
> for editing things. i could also invite you to the repo if you want,
> but if you don't want that it's all good! :3
i'd love to help :)
but i don't know c or vimscript yet...
oh well...may return to this when i do learn c...
(postmarketos porting might force me to anyways...)
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*face-palm*

I don't know about you but I trust someone seasoned enough with a code base and/or language to judge the validity of a Ai code submission over a self-proclaimed novice (who just [hard] forked the code on a whim).
 
If reference to the link's "AI influenced software":

I've always maintained the position that AI should be kept in the lab, not allowed to roam free in the wild. Use of AI for code reviews isn't problematic for me as long as code is human reviewed FIRST, and if the reviewers show a history of missing things that the AI picks up afterwards then their performance reviews should reflect accordingly.
 
Oh man, Hugo uses "AI" and that's what was used to make the new website.

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LibreQuest said:
Oh man, Hugo uses "AI" and that's what was used to make the new website.
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That is precisely the scenario that eVi project (the one I shared a quote from) is discovering as well; they found out that Python had some "Ai code" and are discussing if Python support should be removed from Vim. ...this is dependency. In eVi's situation it won't be long before their (hard) fork of Vim does little if they just keep removing dependencies like that.

They choose to (hard) fork a project because it "had Ai code" but what they fail to understand is the dependency issue -i.e. the water was/is/can be "poisoned upstream". There is not much you can do about it other than hope that the someone in charge is looking at the 'ai code' hard enough to understand the implications of it being added to their project. One of my projects got bitten (I was not smart enough). I ended up reverting the code back, but I spent a month working on reimplementing all the fixes and improvements made after the ai code was accepted.
 
Just thought I would update on my progress with NetBSD. I have to downgrade a GPU in one system to an RX 550. Luckily I have too many GPUs laying around. The newest GPU with accel is Polaris series. Nvidia are on nouveau. I'm not even going to try using Nvidia.

My most difficult system, Acer tablet/laptop, works well but had to disable i915drmkms in boot. But X and opengl work. Tested Urban Terror quake 3 game on the Z series baytrail iGPU.

Wifi drivers are not as up to date over on NetBSD. But they do have some good stuff for sure.

Dunno, seems like a legit system. They're just not as up to date on as many ports as other systems. But they have a good "AI" policy, which is super.

Other programs work fine as well though some are a bit behind in versions.

They could use some more devs over on NetBSD, just not "AI" devs. šŸ˜„

They also have many www browsers to choose from that are not Firefox or chrome "AI" slop.

Overall, good system, but I hope freebsd core policy will reflect a rejection of the "AI" when announced. I enjoy many of the drivers available on freebsd. And I like the community here. Everyone is very generous and knowledgeable.

Also the unitedbsd forums are very helpful. I asked a question of the NetBSD folks and had a helpful response within minutes, which is wild. šŸ‘

Edit: I need to make a correction here. The RX 560 is the GPU I'll be using not the RX 550. I also have an RX 5700 XT but it's too big to fit in the case I'm using haha. I purchased the 5700 used and it had bad fans so modified it to use two 120MM Corsair fans which makes it very big.
 
Whilst I agree that the kernel should adopt a ā€˜no/little ai optionā€™, if youā€™re seeking an absolute, do not forget about the ā€˜upstreamā€™. Namely: 1. Git 2. LLVM. Etc.

Meaning, I think a healthier outlook for your sanity should be ā€œas little as possibleā€ vs ā€œzeroā€ (because that is already not possible).

I started on Net. Loved it! Moved to Open and loved that too. For all those years I always thought of Free as the Linux version of the BSDs. Which wasn't fair to think but it was one of those little ā€œcompetitionsā€ that make it more fun.
 
JohnK said:
Whilst I agree that the kernel should adopt a ā€˜no/little ai optionā€™, if youā€™re seeking an absolute, do not forget about the ā€˜upstreamā€™. Namely: 1. Git 2. LLVM. Etc.

Meaning, I think a healthier outlook for your sanity should be ā€œas little as possibleā€ vs ā€œzeroā€ (because that is already not possible).

I started on Net. Loved it! Moved to Open and loved that too. For all those years I always thought of Free as the Linux version of the BSDs. Which wasn't fair to think but it was one of those little ā€œcompetitionsā€ that make it more fun.
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I'm going to attempt an absolute zero. I mean, I'll let you know how that goes I guess. :D I'll keep on digging and find where absolute zero exists, maybe it does. I intend to be the Deepsea Challenger of computer users lol.
 
rbranco said:
Shame on Codeberg for allowing this McCarthyism.
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I had to look that term up. That's a term that implies accusation without evidence. I think within the context of people wanting to know which projects are using "AI" it's not really without evidence. I don't know if the term "slop" is really needed though.

I appreciate the resource for helping to easily determine the usage of these systems in development. It's not to imply something wrong or right on the part of the projects, just simply having the information compiled is useful for some users to determine which programs they would like to use or not use.
 
LibreQuest said:
I had to look that term up. That's a term that implies accusation without evidence. I think within the context of people wanting to know which projects are using "AI" it's not really without evidence. I don't know if the term "slop" is really needed though.

I appreciate the resource for helping to easily determine the usage of these systems in development. It's not to imply something wrong or right on the part of the projects, just simply having the information compiled is useful for some users to determine which programs they would like to use or not use.
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With the hyperbole and inflammatory language around datacenters burning the planet, killing salmon and so on, this is dangerous.
 
bda65 said:
A list of slopware https://codeberg.org/small-hack/open-slopware you can choose not to use.
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I agree that this repository didnā€™t put much effort.

Iā€™m unsure if this repository was partially AI-generated itself because the raw README.md file in markdown show HTML tags with repetitive <br /> in its syntax (instead of no space e.g. <br/>). I studied artificial intelligence in undergrad. You need a trained eye to catch that in syntax.

 
rbranco said:
With the hyperbole and inflammatory language around datacenters burning the planet, killing salmon and so on, this is dangerous.
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I wasn't aware of this kind of language being used regarding data centers. Perhaps some people believe that skynet is real, not sure.

I don't know if maintaining information on the development process of different projects is dangerous.

I've not seen anything on the codeberg page inciting or encouraging any dangerous activity.

This sounds a bit like the McCarthyism you spoke of. There is no evidence of anything dangerous.

EDIT: I found a very detailed study in the topic you proposed. They later offer ideas on mitigation. It looks like there are environmental concerns and studies taking place surrounding data centers.

It does look like there are some very good ideas on addressing these concerns.

Link to study
 
LibreQuest said:
I wasn't aware of this kind of language being used regarding data centers. Perhaps some people believe that skynet is real, not sure.

I don't know if maintaining information on the development process of different projects is dangerous.

I've not seen anything on the codeberg page inciting or encouraging any dangerous activity.

This sounds a bit like the McCarthyism you spoke of. There is no evidence of anything dangerous.
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I know a thing or two about McCarthyism because of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TascĆ³n_List

It starts with shaming projects and eventually shaming also developers. Do you know about the Unabomber? There are lots of crazies out there.
 
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