There's a difference between expectations of the crowd and crowd intelligence... we're talking about the former.Yeah! There are still folks around believing in crowd intelligence.
There's a difference between expectations of the crowd and crowd intelligence... we're talking about the former.Yeah! There are still folks around believing in crowd intelligence.
Looks like you missed the point of the thread entirely...astyle sure, but all crowds do have their limitations.
Actually the correct term is swarm intelligence. Sorry.
If OP finally understands that he is, in fact, supposed to produce a working prototype as a hard pre-requisite for convincing anyone - then this thread has accomplished its purpose.If you think that my expectations is to create a working prototype,you are wrong. I've understood that it is hard. But it is also true that with the attitude that you have,nothing than a fast (but good) occasionally help can take root here.
Looks like you missed the point of the thread entirely...
Expectations are what comes into play from get-go.
Intelligence (particularly crowd intelligence) comes into play later, as a conclusion about the individual/crowd. And yes, it's quite possible for the expectations to be misguided. But, expectations should not be confused with intelligence.
If OP finally understands that he is, in fact, supposed to produce a working prototype as a hard pre-requisite for convincing anyone - then this thread has accomplished its purpose.
OP is Internet shorthand for Opening Poster... Anyone here can figure that much out. I started quite a few threads on these Forums, I've been OP in those threads. In this thread, you're the OP...My name is not OP,is Mario. Anyway,as I have already told,a project,in my opinion,if it is really started because it is really done for fun,people starts to talking about it with a greater optimism and a greater propensity to give birth to prolific ideas. At this point, being able or not to complete it takes a back seat, because there is the awareness that the roots from which it starts are good and people are involved. And then,at a certain point, the group is "magically" rewarded because "it" believed in it. It can't work if you start right away thinking you won't make it to the end. If you think this, you definitely won't get there, actually you won't even start. No matter if you don't reach the end,if you enjoy. I think that we should understand why,here,there is such kind of little desire to have fun together.
There is such a thing as 'divide and conquer'. It means to divide the project up until you have a list of tasks you can actually accomplish. People on these Forums can help with brainstorming - but you have to ask them right. Know what the expectations are.And then,at a certain point, the group is "magically" rewarded because "it" believed in it.
If you are talking about motivating others, you may recognize failing to motivate this community so far. May it be they feel getting manipulated instead?And then,at a certain point, the group is "magically" rewarded because "it" believed in it. It can't work if you start right away thinking you won't make it to the end. If you think this, you definitely won't get there, actually you won't even start.
Unfortunately there is none. All I can see is someone's dream.So what's the point here [FONT=monospace]getopt[/FONT]? Do you think we have some brilliant idea here and nobody is able to see?
It's not. What you fail to realize is this is already an ongoing project. It already exists. Every phone nowadays is an ARM based computer with a touch screen. At least if we're talking about 'smartphones'. Want to participate in porting FreeBSD to an ARM based computer? You can already do this. Right now. Then maybe some day it might be possible for an ARM based computer phone to run FreeBSD. But maybe first get some experience with participating in existing projects, until you have enough skills to start your own projects?I may think that the problem is to start thinking to port FreeBSD in a phone because a phone is perceived as one too complicated device.
Motion sensorDid I miss anything?
Now I better understand the concept of "boot loader"Finally put it all in a suitable protective case [here]
Hm. Sure, that's part of the goal. But I guess it's the easiest part. Yes, FreeBSD works on ARMWhat you fail to realize is this is already an ongoing project. It already exists. Every phone nowadays is an ARM based computer with a touch screen.
OP is Internet shorthand for Opening Poster... Anyone here can figure that much out. I started quite a few threads on these Forums, I've been OP in those threads. In this thread, you're the OP...
There's no such thing as
There is such a thing as 'divide and conquer'. It means to divide the project up until you have a list of tasks you can actually accomplish. People on these Forums can help with brainstorming - but you have to ask them right. Know what the expectations are.
- One starts a project because they know what to do. You admitted to not knowing what to do, not even how to get started.
- One asks for help when they get stuck. There are good and bad ways to ask for help. Selling vague ideas on the basis of "It might be fun" is NOT a good way to ask for help.
- One keeps going because it's fun. That comes last. And your pitch really tries to take a shortcut to the end. You can't have your cake and eat it, too.
Do it.The first step in my opinion is to create a group of users who wants to start talking.
Do it.We need to find one that's compatible with FreeBSD.
Do it.At this point i think that the easiest way is to choose carefully the hardware components to use.
Sure. The idea was to show ziomario he can already take part in this. You can build about 99% of a 'smartphone' using a random ARM development board. Get FreeBSD running on as many different development boards as possible and you're pretty much half way there.Hm. Sure, that's part of the goal. But I guess it's the easiest part. Yes, FreeBSD works on ARM
Dealing with all the different SoC hardware (and mind you, in this world, there's no such thing as standardized hardware detection methods), interfacing with and using actual "phone" hardware (GSM/UMTS/LTE/...), creating some user interface that's actually usable on such a device, etc pp .... that's probably all a LOT more difficult.
This project is fairly easy...
Get a Raspberry Pi (1, 2, 3 or 4 will suffice)
Install FreeBSD on it
Stick a USB powerbank to it [here]
Stick a USB headphone, microphone, webcam combo to it [here]
Stick a RJ45 mobile WiFi dongle to it [here]
Plug in a GPIO LCD [here]
Connect up some buttons to remaining GPIO [here]
Finally put it all in a suitable protective case [here]
In essence, you now have a FreeBSD "smart phone". Did I miss anything?
Nice boots though.I'd look like a fool carrying that around with me.
It's missing a modem man, that's just a disfigured laptop. I'd look like a fool carrying that around with me.
This project is fairly easy...
Get a Raspberry Pi (1, 2, 3 or 4 will suffice)
Install FreeBSD on it
Stick a USB powerbank to it [here]
Stick a USB headphone, microphone, webcam combo to it [here]
Stick a RJ45 mobile WiFi dongle to it [here]
Plug in a GPIO LCD [here]
Connect up some buttons to remaining GPIO [here]
Finally put it all in a suitable protective case [here]
In essence, you now have a FreeBSD "smart phone". Did I miss anything?
To be fair, if you buy big enough wellies, you could fit it all in there *and* still wear them. No-one would even know of your "FreeBSD based smart phone"(TM) capabilities
As for the modem, I did have that covered via the RJ45 mobile dongle (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/313926335839). Presumably there is one rattling around in there somewhere!
(It is about 13cm, so you would likely need to buy a pair of largebootscase. But at least there will also be room for that motion sensor request from SirDice in the premium models)
Sure. The idea was to show ziomario he can already take part in this. You can build about 99% of a 'smartphone' using a random ARM development board. Get FreeBSD running on as many different development boards as possible and you're pretty much half way there.