Why did you stopped using FreeBSD ?

Zare said:
Don't expect FreeBSD to work 100% on a laptop that you bought at random.
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Lenovo thinkpads are pretty common out there. And a T480s is hardly cutting-edge and obscure, we're talking about 2017/2018 era hardware here. Nothing exotic at all in terms of hardware in it.

fmc000 said:
According to your post I can rant as my laptop suspends and resumes just fine with 14.x but it hangs miserably with 15 (hangs on second resume) and 16 (hangs at first suspend).
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Same problem also on my Lenovo T480s. I would come back to it after a few minutes of being AFK and just was greeted with a black screen and unresponsive system when trying to resume (15.0-RELEASE). Had to reboot to recover each time.
 
As i said earlier freebsd has a budget and resources to work on laptop including wifi drivers & hibernation & kde desktop. It will however take a bit of time.
 
At one point in the past, because I found it difficult to use and configure FreeBSD (the days of the old pkg and the incompatibility of mixing ports and packages), I wanted to abandon the system. However, I didn't delete it from the hard drive. After some time, I returned and use it as my main desktop today. I'd sooner remove Linux from my computer than FreeBSD, and I currently have three systems on three drives on my home desktop.
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la1WfEr60yg&list=RDla1WfEr60yg&start_radio=1
 
I haven't stopped using the OS as my primary daily driver. But frankly, videos like these are like a cold shower for me. :)
 
USerID said:
I haven't stopped using the OS as my primary daily driver. But frankly, videos like these are like a cold shower for me. :)
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I've seen a few videos by this gentleman and often what he's trying to do doesn't work, which is quite a let down. Most YouTubers wouldn't post a video like that because... it's boring. You want to learn how to do things not how not to do them. Also, he speaks very slow. I don't watch him much anymore. It's a pity, because he's one of the few YouTubers who post BSD content.
 
I stopped for a few years because of a combination of being back in college and having to use Windows for a bunch of my work combined with a lack of a suitable substitute for Crashplan. But, I'm back basically because I completely dropped Windows in October when support for 10 ended due to refusing to give the FBI access to my computer via recall. (I know there isn't anything saying that out loud, but National Security Letters still exist and I can't imagine any other reasons why MS would be willing to lose so many users to force that to be permanently installed)

Then back to FreeBSD because I got tired of having to juggle so many package management systems and have them forcing me to either distro hop to avoid Wayland, or accept a GUI that was lacking things that I needed. And, being gaslit about things that I could very clearly see happening wasn't exactly helping.

It kind of sucks, because modern Linux on the whole is pretty good, but I am happy to be back here with things like jails being comparatively easy to set up and being able to use something that feels like a cohesive product of people that are using it rather than trying to justify charging people for certifications or consulting.
 
  • got tired of having to juggle so many package management systems
  • have them forcing me to either distro hop to avoid Wayland
  • accept a GUI that was lacking things that I needed.
  • being gaslit about things
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modern Linux on the whole is pretty good
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Oh? Doesn't sound like it.
back to FreeBSD because
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  • things like jails being comparatively easy to set up
  • able to use something that feels like a cohesive product
  • rather than trying to justify charging people for certifications or consulting
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Sounds like modern FreeBSD on the whole is pretty good. :)
 
All of my workflow runs solely on windows.

I enjoy FBSD for the command line environment but it won’t run my workflow.

Neither will Linux.
 
I mostly run FreeBSD in x86 for personal use, of course macOs in macbook for professional use and last to play games a NS2 console to get the best of all worlds.
 
This thread switched from being what made you quit FreeBSD to why you use FreeBSD :)

If that's the case, I'm now using FreeBSD because I can now do all my personal and professional workflows on it (before I couldn't), to summarize:
  • Actually boot FreeBSD (not always a given on newish non-server hardware)
  • Java programming (using eclipse, still a bit of a pain because of most of the libs only providing embedded Linux libraries, and Eclipse not including the marketplace)
  • Running java stuff (see above, plus OS detection can be a pain)
  • Docker (well, podman on the host, docker client on /compat/linux with some hacks to allow "rootless" as linux)
  • Kubectl, helm and decent editors available
  • Widevine on native Firefox
  • Gaming (Pathfinder, Torment EE, Pillars of Eternity, mostly linux native versions from gog).
  • Much less drama than on most linux distros (bar some exceptions from both sides)
All in all, I'm very happy with my time in FreeBSD since the 15 alphas.
 
drhowarddrfine said:
Oh? Doesn't sound like it.


Sounds like modern FreeBSD on the whole is pretty good. :)
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FreeBSD has always been pretty good going back to at least the early '00s when I first installed it. I'd probably be tolerating the weird Linux stuff lately if there weren't options that I liked better. For most people, the things that irritate me don't seem to be a big deal, but I did see a video of Linus flipping out over the stupidity of all the package management systems being a solid reason why Year of the Linux desktop won't happen.

The BSD philosophy just gives more freedom to the users than Linux's does, but it is still very possible to roll your own distro or use one of the more basic distros that let you make your own decisions about what to include, it's just that there's more corporate influence over there in terms of things being occasionally pushed that have no real purpose other than making it easier to sell certifications and for consultants to make money on it. I don't see really any of that going on over here.

OTOH, I do miss that right now Steam runs on Linux, but FBSD 15 lost the 32bit libraries that it would take to even try. I'm guessing that that will be fixed and that it's probably not a super-simple fix.
 
Alain De Vos said:
As i only will be using,
OOP : SWIFT,SCALA,D
NON-OOP : ODIN,NIM
I'm coming back to FreeBSD.
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So, OP will have an OOPS salad, served swiftly.

Yep, a McSalad.

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Well, it finally happened. After one year and a half of using exclusively FreeBSD I moved back to Linux. I chose Void because it supports ZFS which is a must for me. I was able to restore all my data (thanks to zrepl ). It can also be installed with ZBM which in my opinion is something like bectl on steroids.

Why did I do it? Because I opened a bug months ago about a regression from 14.x to 15.0 well before the latter was released and the developer (the only one to the best of my knowledge) does not know what caused it and doesn't have any idea on how to debug it. The irony is that the Foundation is trying to push towards laptops and I'm leaving FreeBSD because a suspend/resume regression.

Well, I'm not happy of course, I prefer FreeBSD to Linux, but I don't believe that the problem with my laptop will be resolved anytime soon.
 
fmc000 said:
Well, it finally happened. After one year and a half of using exclusively FreeBSD I moved back to Linux. I chose Void because it supports ZFS which is a must for me. I was able to restore all my data (thanks to zrepl ). It can also be installed with ZBM which in my opinion is something like bectl on steroids.

Why did I do it? Because I opened a bug months ago about a regression from 14.x to 15.0 well before the latter was released and the developer (the only one to the best of my knowledge) does not know what caused it and doesn't have any idea on how to debug it. The irony is that the Foundation is trying to push towards laptops and I'm leaving FreeBSD because a suspend/resume regression.

Well, I'm not happy of course, I prefer FreeBSD to Linux, but I don't believe that the problem with my laptop will be resolved anytime soon.
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Probably Linux suits you better. I would never switch to Linux just because I can't suspend/resume my laptop. I'd set it up so it doesn't switch off when I close the lid to keep it in operation during short periods of inactivity (going to the bathroom in Starbucks) and I would switch it off and on the rest of the time. Wait! That's exactly my setup. I'll be darned!
 
Cthulhux said:
I stopped using and contributing to FreeBSD when they embraced the toxic SJW community. Not looking back ever since.
Previous discussion.
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This is not true. The CoC is not based on the Contributor Covenant by Coraline Ada, who is also the author of the Post-Meritocracy Manifesto. The current one is based on LLVM & Django's.

We're 3 years past this peak non-sense and things are returning to normal with the good ol' shut up & code ethos.
 
Some things got me close. Sudddenly dropping SDIO for the Raspberrys after years of promises, without a reasonable explanation.
Other thing is the (discouraging if you ask me) Youtube org show. A real nope. I ignore it.
 
I stop from time to time when I can't get something I need to work. I am transitioning from Windows to FreeBSD for my daily driver. Almost all of my software is open-source now, so at the application level, it doesn't really matter which one I use. For the time being, my main machine is a laptop I will be traveling with, and I am still working out some problems with FreeBSD (network adapters), so it is still on Windows. Once I get that settled, I will move the laptop to FreeBSD. The number of things that I cannot get to work in FreeBSD is getting smaller and smaller. (I think it is a combination of FreeBSD is getting better, I am getting smarter, and I read the forums more.)
 
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