What's your favourite keyboard?

I use cable for everything. Network, pc's, laptop, keyboard. Oh... wireless mouse with batteries, but that's all. The only device on wifi in the house is mobile phone. Headphones are on cable connection via a headphone amp. I removed the bt/wifi adapter from my latest mini pc box.

Lots of hacking https://www.hackers-arise.com/post/bluetooth-hacking-part-1-getting-started-with-bluetooth .
etc...

And I could never get bt to work on freebsd anyway. Wifi does work, of course.
 
Currently I use Logitech MK295. It is wireless but has "right" layout of keys, relatively silent and LED for Caps Lock.
Not having a caps lock LED is a major omission on my latest lenovo thinkpad keyboard. Very annoying, it would only have cost a few cents to include it. Don't they use the products they make? On the USB version of the keyboard there is no battery to run down and there is already a hole in the case at the top right corner of the keyboard case moulding where the bluetooth led is present in the bluetooth version. It wouldn't have taken much to put an led in there and a small firmware change to light it up on the usb version. Cheap bastards.

Turns out there is a little program called xkbvleds that can be used to show a virtual LED indicator of the caps lock state on the screen. On my system running the windowmaker window manager, you can make a handy caps lock indicator LED in the bottom right hand corner of the screen by running

$ xkbvleds -watch 1 -geom -0-0

and make sure to dock the appicon and set it to start when wmaker is started and lock it in position in the dock. You will see a small green led in the bottom right hand corner of the screen that switches on when caps lock is on. Make sure to switch off all window decorations in the window attributes of the xkbvleds window and make it omnipresent across all desktops, using the titlebar dropdown menu. If you want to put it somewhere else on the screen you can vary the -geom arguments. Using -geom -1000-0 puts it about 1/3 of the way in from the right side of the screen along the bottom edge, for example (on my screen anyway, the x-coordinate depends on the size of your screen).

The final result should look something like this. If you look carefully at the bottom right corner of the screenshot, observe the green caps lock led indicator is on. It's quite small on my 2K screen but good enough. Unfortunately changing the width and height of the xkbvleds client area using the -geom argument doesn't cause the size of the led indicator to scale with the window. You might prefer to put it somewhere else on the screen than the bottom right corner. It's better than nothing anyway. There are probably gnome applets you can get to show the keylock state as well and swallow them in something like wmsystemtray, I haven't bothered to investigate further since this works well enough, and xkbvleds requires no gnome dependencies to be installed. You might have to zoom the screenshot to see the caps lock indicator LED at the bottom right corner.

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I have a couple of Ducky keyboards with Cherry MX Brown switches (the default), and they feel pretty nice.

I really wish someone would offer a keyboard with just enough keys to have one of each Cherry MX color, to make it easier to decide which color to choose. It wouldn’t even have to be a working keyboard; just a row of switches and key caps. (Having the letter on the key cap match the color, like “R” for Cherry MX Red, would be a nice touch.)

Cherry made that. I have one somewhere. They are rare.
 
My only Ducky died suddenly. They charged me money just to open a support request and never gave me a RMA number. Kinda of soured my relationship with them. I liked the keyboard all right. Switched to WASD then.

I am also a cable fanatic. Basically only my Macs are on Wifi. Even my Apple TV has an Ethernet port.
 
Not having a caps lock LED is a major omission on my latest lenovo thinkpad keyboard. Very annoying, it would only have cost a few cents to include it. Don't they use the products they make?

Turns out there is a little program called xkbvleds that can be used to show a visual indicator of caps lock state on the screen.
LED indicators are missing on many wireless keyboards to save battery. NumLock is ON frequently which is significant consumption but in this model Logitech has made good choice to put only Caps Lock.
 
While we're talking about keyboards, I found this website that lets you test your typing speed:- https://10fastfingers.com/typing-test/english

I managed to get around 60-70 wpm on the first few attempts with the new lenovo thinkpad keyboard, not particularly fast but good enough. I got around 95% accuracy, again good enough for me.

I noticed someone on there has got 115 wpm in spanish which is pretty good :) .
 
I still miss classic Xorg versions where LED control still worked. I used keyboard LEDs as my "new mail' indicator.
Also useful if you are like the guy in Neal Stephensen’s Cryptonomicon and need to output secret data but don’t want to display it on the screen because you are afraid of Van Eck Phreaking. (He displayed the data in Morse code on one of the keyboard LEDs.)
 
I spent a good number of decades using the IBM Type M keyboard. It's built like a tank. I have three of them in my basement. One connected to a KVM switch, another connected to the firewall (in case I have any USB problems with the KVM switch) and a spare. We closed down an office 15-20 years ago. Everything was discarded, so I grabbed the three IBM keyboards.

When my personal and $JOB laptops are connected to the KVM switch upstairs in my office I use a Logitech MX Mechanical. It's the closest wireless keyboard I've found that feels remotely like the IBM Type M.
 
Also looking for a solid permanent keyboard. I consume a Logitech K120 per 2 months now, but they messed up the layout within the model, so I want something else.. Also have a DAS with a design fault that makes the space bar detach from it's balancing rod at random. You have to glue it with nail polish remover or something...
 
The Cherry G80-3000 is a cheaper clone of the IBM model M, using cherry mx switches. I've got an old one with a ps/2 connector. Different feel from model M of course, and not as solidly built as what came out of greenock, but still a pretty good keyboard. Having said that, I looked up the price and they're almost as expensive as the unicomp clone now, which is crazy. My G80 is made in the czech republic.

 
Speaking of greenock, I was sad to read this last year.
More jobs gone.

Of course that office wasn't the factory where they made the model M's, they closed that years ago; I think the factory itself has been demolished now.

Here's what it used to be like. They're making PC, server and thinkpad printed circuit boards in this video. That was a state-of-the-art facility at the time. Where did the idea come from that we can't make this kind of stuff nowadays?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COcKvVfNgGo

You can see model-M's (also made in greenock) in use in a number of places in the video, as below. I wish I had one of the magnifying viewers she is using! Expensive piece of kit I think, it would be interesting to know who made those, it looks the business.

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Ater a bit more browsing I found a video of actual keyboard production at IBM Greenock. This is how the famous model M keyboard was made. IBM called it computer integrated manufacturing - CIM. It's pretty cool when you think that this was the early 80's. :)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEN6Rry4ekk

It uses ibm's own robotic manufacturing system, the 7535: https://www.computerhistory.org/revolution/artificial-intelligence-robotics/13/292/1303 and 7565, programmed in a high level language called AML.
 
I'm looking for a keyboard. For FreeBSD. I can't figure out which is preferable: radio or Bluetooth? This one will work: A4tech Fstyler FBX51C
 
Not to hijack the thread, but does anyone else miss rollerball mice? Seems like optical ones are so low quality and need replaced so much more freqnetly. I got sick of optical mouse jitter and failures so I resurrected a couple old removeable ball mice I had in the basement. Keep the ball and rollers clean and they still work best, even after 20+ years of use.
 
does anyone else miss rollerball mice? [...] Keep the ball and rollers clean and they still work best,
Not really, no. Could clean them every day, and they still run bumpy because of mouse boogers.
But I give you that the wired ones are no battery guzzlers, and beyond thousands of products to chose from it's even harder to find a good mouse as it's to find a good keyboard (I am in topic 😁) - which is also right for cars, shoes, beer, and all the other products crap.
We live in a time almost nobody produces anything good. There is, but you need to search really hard for it, besides popular brands. If you finally find something, don't tell anybody! It may become popular. If so the brand will be captured, and also transformed into another crap outlet. Quality is wasted money since almost nobody has real quality awareness. All what counts are lots of new models (at lower quality aka "optimization of production cost"), more useless features, and the most important thing of all: cool looks.
What you cannot make a foto of and post on snoutbook, instagrim or whatscrap is both worth- and meaningless.

I wonder when it becomes hard to find a bed you can actually sleep in, while everbody else wonders why I always complain so much. "This new beds are so cool, so great. They look most cool with their permanent changing color illumination. Gives you a warning or approving sound every time you turn around to tell you you're lying wrong or right." It awakes you unasked in the morning, when amazonk thinks you need to get up to get to work. After the first update there will be no differences anymore between work days, weekends and holidays. After the next update it always and unchangeable wakes you every morning at 3:17 am. And after the last upgrade the alarm cannot be turned off anymore. So you need to buy a new bed after exactly two years and one day, which cost you four times the bed you used before for over thirty years, in which you slept like a baby. But there simply were no suiting mattresses anymore. So you had to buy a complete new bed. And there are no others anymore but those fantastic new ones. The new ones all come by series with this great massage feature. Which not only sucks large amounts of electricity, but whirrs all the time. Of course it cannot turned off. Once they're there only morons want to switch off features. You can play with the settings, but not shut the crap down. But for that it comes with an app for your dumbphone. After several hours watching dilletant videos on youpoop other customers explained how to not get lost in the illogical jungle of the intuitive UI, you're sitting in your iCar, trying to keep at least one eye open on the street for hopefully hit the breaks in time before the AI decides to cut a red light or lost keeping track on temporary construction side markings the rain displaced, running your car into a group of garbage cans, while downloading new massage programs for your great internet-of-crap bed, finetuning those, checking detailed statistics of how good your sleep was, shown as diagrams of body temperature and fart frequency, reminding you not to drink so much beer before you go to sleep, so not get you up so often in the night for peeing, and receiving unasked ads for books about how to get a healthy recreational sleep, wondering where your heavy tiredness may come from, while chuckling over me, the always complaining old grey-beard from the stone-ages, because I started sleeping on my old, ugly, army green camping equipment from the 90s.

Back to topic: There are several options:
You may try to grab the good things from the old stuff, like IBM Model Ms - if you're lucky to get one functioning for a reasonable price (not to mention a local layout.)
Store (well) functioning hardware. Of course I don't have 120M IDE HDDs anymore, but several keyboards, mouses, graphic cards, housings, cables,... even a T23 Thinkpad (no Lenovo, IBM! with the original docking station; maybe I try NetBSD on it, and see what still it can be used for.)
But above all: Always look and be open for alternatives.
Since I changed from Windows to FreeBSD I use less mouse and more shell, play less, and no shooters anymore, so less need for a mouse, more focus on the keyboard, changed from mouse to trackball,...

There always is another way. You just need to find, and go it.
"swim against the tide" - which as a FreeBSD user you're already used to :cool:

I'm looking for a keyboard. For FreeBSD. I can't figure out which is preferable: radio or Bluetooth? This one will work: A4tech Fstyler FBX51C
Some may paranoid while they say keystrokes of wireless keyboards can be logged, so get your passwords. Maybe so, maybe not. I don't know, I don't care, 'cause all my keyboards are wire-lashed. Besides they consume less energy I simply don't like the situation of having suddenly no reaction, and need to figure out first only the battery is depleted.

However if you like my recommendations for a keyboard you might check out:

- try to get an old IBM M 😁
- or get an almost equal new one from Unicomp
- I also like the Delock 12672 for second keyboard (laptop)
- scissor switch keyboards are worth a try!
- currently I'm using a Varmilo as my main keyboard (Cherry switches; tactile feeling is not as good as buckling springs, of course, but also very nice. and quiet.)

Edit: Just seen: Switch Test Pad so you can test the feeling of a selection of different switches before buy a whole new keyboard (great idea!)
 
There always is another way. You just need to find, and go it.
The wire is constantly in the way. Constantly. I can't push it out, push it in, or move it closer. I'm sick of all this tension, all these bends and breaks in the wire. In this thread, look, Astil also concreted the loose connector. That's great, but I don't want to sit and fill something with resin or silicone sealant.
If we draw an analogy, it's like guitarists in the 50-60-70s hanging on wires. Today, both Megadeth and Metallica are rushing around on stage without wires.
And how convenient is it to work with a wireless keyboard if you need to drink a couple of cans of beer and relax a few meters away, watching the movie "Ex-Drummer" (not for family viewing)?
On the topic: does it consume a lot of energy? For some reason, my no-name keyboard from a deep mine (manufacture) in China on 2xAAA works so long that for me, replacing the batteries is not a critical situation. I've been working on 2xAAA for a looooong time.
And also: Maturin, you're right when you say that we're moving somewhere. And you wrote everything correctly about the beds.
I'm gradually switching to Wayland (sway). I'm already getting used to managing everything via hotkeys.
Someone wrote on the forum that FreeBSD has problems with Bluetooth. That's why I'll have to reread a few hardware forums to figure out whether the radio channel or Bluetooth is preferable...
 
Of course, with Megadeth and Metallica the sound is of no such importance. 😁 Sorry, couldn't resist it. Of course today's wireless audio hardware brings no ristriction in sound quality, and I also loved to listen both, but my Heavy Metal days are behind me. If you grew older (or wiser, or more boring, or whatever) you don't need it that loud and hard anymore, but develop an ear for other things.
But of course that does not apply to everybody, maybe just only me.:cool::beer:🤘

I neither want to convince you to use wired kbs, nor starting a discussion about the pros and cons, after all everybdoy have personals reasons why deciding individually for which specific set up.
Since I don't move much with my keyboard, I don't have issues with the wire; with the mouse's, yes, of course; wired mouses pisses me massively; but that's my own personal issue, of course.

However, talking bluetooth or "simple radio" I simply can give my impression, only, of "radio" was better, since it's less complicated to install, less energy consuming (I simply have the feeling the batterys are quicker depleted on bluetooth devices) and also the range might be a bit better. With my wireless radio headphones I can move around in the whole flat while with bluetooth I can lose connection in the next room (if I'm not mistaken, originally bluetooth was meant for short range wireless devices like headsets for phones or laptops directly at your body, anyway.) But that does not prove anything.

Bluetooth at least is an encrypted channel (even if I cannot tell how strong/good), while with radio it depends on the certain product; you need to check the docu if or if it's not an encrypted channel (many are).
 
Thank you, Maturin! Bluetooth is being put away in a drawer under lock and key for now. I read a similar thread, but about a Bluetooth keyboard. The way it's described there - I have no desire to fight.
Heavy Metal is just for old farts like me. It's going down well today too.
 
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