A hobbyist.I don’t have any coding skills, so I’m not a geek.
I know what a shell is, so I’m not just an average user.
What am I?
What is the future of FreeBSD?
I used to see FreeBSD as a base system much like Arch Linux—one that gives users all the choices but doesn't provide an official desktop environment. Recently, however, FreeBSD 15 announced (and subsequently delayed to 15.1) that it would ship with an official KDE desktop. On the other hand, the KDE project stated this year that it will be dropping support for FreeBSD.
So where does this leave FreeBSD going forward? Will it remain a foundational system that leaves everything to the user, or is it moving toward becoming a more standard, desktop-integrated system like Debian? Could it even evolve into something more akin to Ubuntu, Zorin, or Deepin, with official support for new technologies such as AI?
On a related note, I’d also like to clarify: does FreeBSD actually have a plan to officially support a KDE desktop, rather than leaving users to install or compile it themselves as is currently the case?
How would the FreeBSD project handle a user like me in the future?
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Geek does not imply coding skills. You could be a comic book geek for example.I don’t have any coding skills, so I’m not a geek.
Its taught in college IT classes these days, so it is becoming quite mainstream for those likely to dabble with Linux / etc.I know what a shell is, so I’m not just an average user.
Same as always. It will provide good documentation so you can improve your skills to get the most out of a UNIX-like operating system.How would the FreeBSD project handle a user like me in the future?
Well .. really that depends on YOU. We can't read minds and figure out "what you want to do" and conversely what "you don't want to do" with an operating system. The expectations of what you CAN do with (any) computer operating system have changed a lot over the last few decades. In the past if you booted up your brand new "INSANELY $$$EXPENSIVE$$$ PC" and saw:
You were like: "OH MY GOD ! THIS IS SOOOOOOO COOL !!!" and you would start hacking away. (Maybe) you next typed "DIR" at the A:\> prompt and "suddenly" saw files on your floppy disk. And THEN you thought - WOW! "There are like files of data on my floppy disk!" And your system had 384K bytes of RAM memory and, damn! that is a lot of RAM memory! Who needs 640K of RAM? That must just be for those "power users". Now days everyone is like "Well, I can't run the latest and greatest AI software on FreeBSD -- so forget it!". Or "There is this Windows only app that 'only runs on Windows' and doesn't run on FreeBSD -- so forget it." Where I think you might find value is FreeBSD is that all of the OLD software that you used to use -- is still here and working very well. You mentioned PDFS? I am currently reading an extremely long PDF manual (hundreds of pages long) using xpdf(1) to read it, and that works waaaayyyyyy more marvelously than using PDF readers on other systems. We have the latest GIMP, Libre Office, Wine and all kinds of things. Where do you want to go today?Code:A:\>
play game , watch video ,chatting and bulabulabula
Ilovehotdog is, obviously, able to do all those things. The question was whether or not FreeBSD would be the OS that provided an out of the box experience, that allowed the plain john/jane user (non tech, non hobbyist, etc) to do all of those things.And .. you are unable to do... what?
Hey, I use FreeBSD to play video games. You don't have to have windows to do that.Then don't use them. Why would you expect ee to handle PDFs? I didn't even know it did.
This is a mom and pop user mentality. A Windows gamer mentality. If you want games and user friendly simple things, use Windows. FreeBSD is not for you.
To the contrary, FreeBSD is modern and an advanced system for today. That is a very misinformed statement you made.
Well, I meant people where the only reason they have a computer at all is to play games.Hey, I use FreeBSD to play video games. You don't have to have windows to do that.
Yeah, the non technical users for sure. Of course the bar is pretty low for reading the handbook. But that is a bit too much effort for most computer users. PS4 is a good option as well. It's a solid FreeBSD system for gaming.Well, I meant people where the only reason they have a computer at all is to play games.
If you are an hobbyst user, who want to know how their OS is operating, FreeBSD is a good choice because it is well documented, and simpler to grasp respect modern Linux that is continosly changing. For the same reason is a good choice also for advanced admins, because it is robust, configurable, and predicable, unlike Linux, where sometime it becomes out of control.I know what a shell is, so I’m not just an average user.
What am I?
How would the FreeBSD project handle a user like me in the future?
I don't know my kids computers all run FreeBSD. I switched everything over 3 years ago last month. I think it's a relative scenario. My kids are growing up with experience using a solid system that is easy to learn and read about.If you are an hobbyst user, who want to know how their OS is operating, FreeBSD is a good choice because it is well documented, and simpler to grasp respect modern Linux that is continosly changing. For the same reason is a good choice also for advanced admins, because it is robust, configurable, and predicable, unlike Linux, where sometime it becomes out of control.
For consumer users who want to install the OS and play, probably Linux Mint, OpenSUSE Leap, Ubuntu etc.. are better choices.
Hey, I use FreeBSD to play video games. You don't have to have windows to do that..
Actually games have improved a lot with the latest wine.
Sorry. Regular users use the base system. That's why it is called the base system. Desktop users need a DE or GUI.So, offering multiple default WM options during installation would be a welcome feature for regular users.
I see political or ethical or "like" reasons as not something that needs to be supported. If FreeBSD only exists to cater to folks who have strong political opinions about Bill Gates, Steve Jobs (or Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos ...), or who have paranoid fears that Apple, Google, Microsoft and the NSA are spying on them, then FreeBSD is no longer needed. Similarly, if people only install FreeBSD because they don't have the $$$ to pay for a better operating system, that won't work, since the economics is just not there.Most users are just regular folks who switch to open source not for technical reasons, but because they don't like corporate stuff.
There was at least 10 or 20 years of graphics on Unix-style systems before X became dominant. And on other early workstation operating systems. Neither the Xerox Alto (first GUI-based system) nor Digital's VAXstation line used Unix (the VAXes could run Ultrix or BSD, but usually ran VMS with some graphics application or a windowing system (I think that was called VWS). There was also lots of people using Evans&Sutherland display hardware with backend Unix computers.Historically, (not 100% precise, though) graphics on Unix and its derivatives came with X Window system.
I spent the last 30 years in Silicon Valley writing software, and researching how to build better systems and better software. I must have been reasonably successful at it, given the size of my paycheck. I very much object to calling it "corporate crap". While none of the software I wrote was ever intended to be used by consumers (and only a vanishingly small fraction is available in source form, or open sourced), I think much of it does an excellent job at its task.I'm just looking for an open-source alternative to corporate crap.
I spent the last 30 years in Silicon Valley writing software, and researching how to build better systems and better software. I must have been reasonably successful at it, given the size of my paycheck. I very much object to calling it "corporate crap". While none of the software I wrote was ever intended to be used by consumers (and only a vanishingly small fraction is available in source form, or open sourced), I think much of it does an excellent job at its task.
As I said before: If you have an anti-corporation mindset, that's fine, I have no problem with that. If you want to not give your money to corporations, you're free to do so. There are plenty of very good free options available. But calling software written by corporations "crap" is insulting, and also factually wrong.
Anti-corporation is too broad to mean something. I have fundamental problems with software not improving things but limiting the user to create a market. It's why everybody uses apps on phones. A smartphone is a computer. Apps are not computer programs. Everybody uses it because ARM programs are no "user business." Translate as "do everything without profit because it's invented 30 years ago"I spent the last 30 years in Silicon Valley writing software, and researching how to build better systems and better software. I must have been reasonably successful at it, given the size of my paycheck. I very much object to calling it "corporate crap". While none of the software I wrote was ever intended to be used by consumers (and only a vanishingly small fraction is available in source form, or open sourced), I think much of it does an excellent job at its task.
As I said before: If you have an anti-corporation mindset, that's fine, I have no problem with that. If you want to not give your money to corporations, you're free to do so. There are plenty of very good free options available. But calling software written by corporations "crap" is insulting, and also factually wrong.