What do you do to cure when you feel mentally ill or depressed ?

Well then You're saying psychology is not a science?
Because in science we have an understanding of well founded and substantiated arguments, which stand for themselves and are independent of relationship issues. And that is how we work here.

Yeah,it is a science. But a lot of people act strong resistances towards those arguments that do not find space in the narrative fabric that they have created, most of the time to avoid changes,suffering...in their life...You know... humans aren't made of only reasonings, but also of emotions and feelings.
 
Yeah,it is a science.
Alright, then give me something scientific.

But a lot of people act strong resistances towards those arguments that do not find space in the narrative fabric that they have created, most of the time to avoid changes,suffering...in their life...You know... humans aren't made of only reasonings, but also of emotions and feelings.
That may be the case, but currently you are talking to me, and so it is irrelevant what "a lot of people" might or might not do.

Here was talk about a thing termed "schiziphrena". Does anybody actually know what that is supposed to be? All I can find is lists of possible symptoms, but no proper spec for how the mind is normally supposed to work, what precisely is failing in the case of this illness, and how that would logically result in the described symptoms. Where would I find that?

One most basic requirement for science is that you can independently verify it (or falsify it), and this requires at least a description of cause and effect.
 
Twain's Letters from the Earth is a delightful read. A quick excerpt from Letter 2:

"For instance, take this sample: he has imagined a heaven, and has left entirely out of it the supremest of all his delights, the one ecstasy that stands first and foremost in the heart of every individual of his race -- and of ours -- sexual intercourse!"​

Oh, probably he should have tried Muhammad. Sex sells, that guy knew at least so much.
 
"schiziphrena". Does anybody actually know what that is supposed to be? All I can find is lists of possible symptoms, but no proper spec for how the mind is normally supposed to work, what precisely is failing in the case of this illness, and how that would logically result in the described symptoms. Where would I find that?

One most basic requirement for science is that you can independently verify it (or falsify it), and this requires at least a description of cause and effect.
You just wait till Elon Musk tells you there's nothing stopping anyone from inserting neuroimplants into craniums of humans worldwide, without anyone's consent. It's already been demonstrated that you can read human's verbal inner thoughts in public research, add to it ChatGPT simulating your own voice and thought process, and you will have not just schizophrenia but a full-blown AI-controlled, "machines have taken over", matrix type of scenario, with the mainframe somewhere cozy and out of reach (on Mars soon?) :D
 
One key definition that is used to classify something as an illness is that the patient experiences that it suffers from it.
This excludes some cases were a patient is declared by the status quo to lack ability of judgement of self and its situation,
and if there is a deduced risk that the person can be a danger to either self or others.

Generally you can be perfectly fine and healthy with disorders or any other quirks that could be illnesses, but if you managed
to adapt your surrounding and living so you experience no suffering from it and have no danger to self or others.

Then you are not ill.
 
You just wait till Elon Musk tells you there's nothing stopping anyone from inserting neuroimplants into craniums of humans worldwide, without anyone's consent. It's already been demonstrated that you can read human's verbal inner thoughts in public research, add to it ChatGPT simulating your own voice and thought process, and you will have not just schizophrenia but a full-blown AI-controlled, "machines have taken over", matrix type of scenario, with the mainframe somewhere cozy and out of reach (on Mars soon?) :D
Yes, absolutely. Only I am the least concerned about Elon Musk, I rather suppose the Google/Amazon/etc league to be far in front with these kinds of endeavours. Elon Musk is very much in line with my desire to finally go to space, while that other gang just wants to convert you all into predictable consumer npc bots to profit from.

That's in short what we're currently dealing with. But that is not my point; I am rather pointing to the issue that while lots of people happily talk about schizophrenia, nobody seems to know what they are actually talking about. And that one is not new, this was the case just the same 40 years ago when all the modern IT crap wss just dystopian science fiction. Only the over-all madness has increased, and when some decades ago there still were some people with a clue on how to resolve the situation, I have very little hope recently.

There was, for instance, a book written in 1968, titled Programming and Metaprogramming in the Human Biocomputer, which explains why ZioMario is very much wrong with his stance that the human mind is so different from a computer system and cannot be understood except by some psychologist (whose specific qualification is nowhere properly defined).

And there is a lot more solid stuff along that line, if you bother to look for it. Since this is a very underdeveloped planet, and it is accordingly dangerous to tell the truth openly (one might easily end up like Wilhelm Reich), these sources are mostly hidden at apparently irrelevant places. Let me quote Juan A. Prieto-Pablos (from a paper by Adella Irizarry) talking about the DUNE books (emphasis by me):
Herbert's characters […] grow their superhuman ability out of a strict control of mind and body gained from the application of mystical philosophies and techniques. Philosophy, not science, is the basis of their power. In Dune practically all the characters [...] are far from ordinary, even if not as great as the main characters. […] Yet all these skills are not qualitatively different from those of ordinary human beings; they are the result of painful and slow personal progress, rather than something acquired suddenly and accidentally, or just given.
What is talked about here, is superhuman abilities which do not appear in an inexplicable "magical" way quasi out of thin air (like we know it from computer games), but which can be developed in due time and with proper work by the application of mystical techniques. And the actual viability of such mystical techniques is well known, even among scientists (see for example this one).

The knowledge about how the mind works, and how it can be developed further, does exist and can be applied - it only is usually not known to psychologists.
 
One key definition that is used to classify something as an illness is that the patient experiences that it suffers from it.
That is correct. And it makes things a bit more difficult, because somebody with an identity disorder (e.g. assuming themselves being Napoleon) might be considered ill, while somebody declaring themselves an otherkin (those folks who assume they are souls of fairies, souls of dragons or whatever captured in a human body) and being fine with that, is perfectly healthy.

That is also why Nina Hagen is so fond of the patient's provision - because when you have a patient's provision declaring that you are fine with your state of mind, then you can dance naked on the street, and the administration cannot simply grab you and lobotomize you "for your own best".
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VUsRUHC0Pw&t=11s
 
you know whats really depressing

clipper lighters with the hexagonal thing

you have to try about 10 times to get it to work
then when it does eventually light you say yes

and the s in yes blows the flame out

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That is correct. And it makes things a bit more difficult, because somebody with an identity disorder (e.g. assuming themselves being Napoleon) might be considered ill, while somebody declaring themselves an otherkin (those folks who assume they are souls of fairies, souls of dragons or whatever captured in a human body) and being fine with that, is perfectly healthy.

That is also why Nina Hagen is so fond of the patient's provision - because when you have a patient's provision declaring that you are fine with your state of mind, then you can dance naked on the street, and the administration cannot simply grab you and lobotomize you "for your own best".
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VUsRUHC0Pw&t=11s
Well. That is society for you. :)
 
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Yes, absolutely. Only I am the least concerned about Elon Musk, I rather suppose the Google/Amazon/etc league to be far in front with these kinds of endeavours. Elon Musk is very much in line with my desire to finally go to space, while that other gang just wants to convert you all into predictable consumer npc bots to profit from.

That's in short what we're currently dealing with. But that is not my point; I am rather pointing to the issue that while lots of people happily talk about schizophrenia, nobody seems to know what they are actually talking about. And that one is not new, this was the case just the same 40 years ago when all the modern IT crap wss just dystopian science fiction. Only the over-all madness has increased, and when some decades ago there still were some people with a clue on how to resolve the situation, I have very little hope recently.

There was, for instance, a book written in 1968, titled Programming and Metaprogramming in the Human Biocomputer, which explains why ZioMario is very much wrong with his stance that the human mind is so different from a computer system and cannot be understood except by some psychologist (whose specific qualification is nowhere properly defined).

And there is a lot more solid stuff along that line, if you bother to look for it. Since this is a very underdeveloped planet, and it is accordingly dangerous to tell the truth openly (one might easily end up like Wilhelm Reich), these sources are mostly hidden at apparently irrelevant places. Let me quote Juan A. Prieto-Pablos (from a paper by Adella Irizarry) talking about the DUNE books (emphasis by me):

What is talked about here, is superhuman abilities which do not appear in an inexplicable "magical" way quasi out of thin air (like we know it from computer games), but which can be developed in due time and with proper work by the application of mystical techniques. And the actual viability of such mystical techniques is well known, even among scientists (see for example this one).

The knowledge about how the mind works, and how it can be developed further, does exist and can be applied - it only is usually not known to psychologists.
Speaking about science, and knowledge, and mind, and abilities.
I kind of often end up in the thesis that humans are a mixed breed between monkeys and an alien lifeform.

Would explain a lot of things why we behave differently from all other species and why we can output this insane technological development,
also the interest of inhabiting more planets.

In my mind's eye at times we are just a part of keeping the alien part alive, that this lifeform travel multiple planets - pick the specie that fits the
long term development/survival (like good amount of limps) and they mix.

When it comes to computers, I see them as a part of replication inherited from human biology and psychology.
I mean, I started my journey studying psychiatry and psychology but switched over to programming computers instead.
 
Otherwise I would wonder why the rest of the monkey species didn't get the human update to their development.
"Oh but Darwin, oh but surrounding."

Well I don't see any human alligators co-existing with the alligators.
 
Alright, then give me something scientific.

The main goal of Medicine (Heilkunst), as of Engineering, is not knowledge, but the ability to do something.
This is why they are traditionally no sciences (Wissen-schaft), but arts (Kunst < Können).
Yes, it is difficult to be able to do something without knowledge, for every art some science may be necessary.
But today the differentiation between art and science is disappearing, everything is being called science.
Science of plumbing, science of house painting with corresponding Ph.D. at renown universities are coming soon.
 
Hard cold-shower, good sleep, and on weekends, follow up with a day or two of gaming and relaxing. Cannabis in this regard helps amazingly with time dilation! (and general fun-ery :p)

Before I was a diabetic, it was ice cream.
Before our traffic became unbearable, it was a long ride on my Harley.
Now, it is a morning at the shooting range with my friends.
There's Keto ice cream; I sometimes get a small pint for like $5 and just down the whole thing also on those weekends :p

And traffic, I found an awesome alternative: City Car Driving with a force-feedback wheel and VR headset! That was my favorite chill experience to do with PCVR and I'd drive around for hours:


And VR in-general is pretty useful too; need to take out some anger on something? Can have a bit of fun with it in VR with Blade & Sorcery! Usual sessions end up hilarious pretty quick :p Beat Saber for a quick burst of exercise too.
 
Hard cold-shower, good sleep, and on weekends, follow up with a day or two of gaming and relaxing. Cannabis in this regard helps amazingly with time dilation! (and general fun-ery :p)


There's Keto ice cream; I sometimes get a small pint for like $5 and just down the whole thing also on those weekends :p

And traffic, I found an awesome alternative: City Car Driving with a force-feedback wheel and VR headset! That was my favorite chill experience to do with PCVR and I'd drive around for hours:


And VR in-general is pretty useful too; need to take out some anger on something? Can have a bit of fun with it in VR with Blade & Sorcery! Usual sessions end up hilarious pretty quick :p Beat Saber for a quick burst of exercise too.
I think what makes something science is the empirical determinism. The agreeing majority dictates what is considered true but must accept repeatable observations and validate hypotheses based on it.
Medicine relies on practical experience. A treat can help while nobody knows what happens. I don't think it's anyhow related to art. It's obfuscated by religion, though. Fundamentalism doesn't like proper reasoning.
 
The one thing Scientology got right is that psychiatry is pseudo-science and the Big Pharma corporations pushing these meds are nothing but a mafia cartel. Years ago I was prescribed AD's for insomnia and the side-effects were nothing compared with the withdrawal symptoms when coming off them. This is chemical lobotomy.

Only now we're discovering the scam behind the serotonin theory for depression:
 
I've seen enough people systematically using big pharma. The consequences are horrific. During the COVID-19, three doses (two regular and one booster) were not for me. I got away with all the doses. I deceived the Ministry of Health illegally. And then I just drank whiskey, suppressing my immune system. Anyone who knows the algorithm of the combat virus COVID-19 (created synthetically) will understand me. COVID-19 combined three viruses. Yes, I got over the disease, lost my taste, then a month later everything returned to normal. Moreover, I got over the virus on my feet, went to work, and in the morning I could knock back 5 shots of 45 milligrams. Yes, it was fun, I confess...
I'd rather get shitfaced than swallow even one insomnia pill.
A trip to the cemetery often helps with upsets. Then your problems become insignificant. :)
 
During the COVID-19, three doses (two regular and one booster) were not for me. I got away with all the doses.
The ~1M souls who left us (US) probably would have chosen differently...
 
The ~1M souls who left us (US) probably would have chosen differently...
Do You have an idea where they went?
We investigated about countries where we could ask for political asylum from these definitely worst human rights violations since third reich, but it appeared to be difficult - even today are still people believing the lies.
 
Medicine relies on practical experience. A treat can help while nobody knows what happens. I don't think it's anyhow related to art. It's obfuscated by religion, though. Fundamentalism doesn't like proper reasoning.
It depends on what you understand as arts. There is a subtle difference. Lets get to that later, below.

The main goal of Medicine (Heilkunst), as of Engineering, is not knowledge, but the ability to do something.
This is why they are traditionally no sciences (Wissen-schaft), but arts (Kunst < Können).
Thank You, I never considered that one, I like it. But it will bring us into devils kitchen.

Yes, it is difficult to be able to do something without knowledge, for every art some science may be necessary.
But today the differentiation between art and science is disappearing, everything is being called science.
Science of plumbing, science of house painting with corresponding Ph.D. at renown universities are coming soon.

Now that is simple. People have figured out that it is more desireable to sit in an office and be important than to roll up your sleeves and do some work.

Then also, it was desired that the youth of the labour class should have the same opportunities to go to university as the more wealthy parts of society, and consequentially, the standards and requirements of higher education have continuousely been lowered.
Furthermore, the in surplus admitted studends have mostly not tried to prove themselves in established sciences, but have instead created lots of new sciences, such as minority studies, gender studies, etc.etc. - all of these very much politically correct and SJW-conform, all of these obviousely alimented by the taxpayer, all of these somehow derivatives of sociology (which itself would be considered a derivative of philosophy), and, more importantly, have figured that by declaring their papers, which would naturally be considered philosophic opinions, instead as "scientific facts", they can make the population obey them. Rolant Huntfort termed this phenomenon "The New Totalitarians" already back in 1971, after studying swedish society. Consequentially, Huntford is now considered a far-right. Funny, isn't it?


Now, concerning the arts. That is an english thing. In german we have a distinction of "Geisteswissenschaften and Naturwissenschaften", somehow: sciences of creations of the mind and sciences of natural phenomena. In english there are sciences, and then there are "arts and humanities", and I am not fully sure how this would map - while it is "Literaturwissenschaft", english literature is studied at a college of the arts.

Then again, this one...
The main goal of Medicine (Heilkunst), as of Engineering, is not knowledge, but the ability to do something.
This is why they are traditionally no sciences (Wissen-schaft), but arts (Kunst < Können).
... is delightful, because it seems a useful distinction. Only it does also not fully map: philosophy is considered an art, and it is not really an ability to do something (at least not with practical results).
Finally, while medicine is considered an art, at least in its modern form it deals with natural phenomena (hardware). Psychology then again deals with the software.

And there are more misunderstandings: while we consider the body a physical machine that can be maintained by doctors (completely excluding the spiritual being that needs to inhabit it in order to create something that we can call "life"), we get told by psychologists that the mind cannot be considered a machine (like our computers) because it apparently is too complicated. I think it would make more sense the other way round: many aspects of how the body works are still unknown, and how it achieves to live is a complete mystery. How the mind works, however - well, you sit right in the middle, you just need to observe.
 
The one thing Scientology got right is that psychiatry is pseudo-science and the Big Pharma corporations pushing these meds are nothing but a mafia cartel.
Isn't that a bit over the top? I happen to say, if you have a stall at the fun fair and you shout out "free beer!", then it doesn't need a conspiracy for the people to come running.
Meaning, things that are quite obvious to do in the given circumstances, these do not need an obscure organization in order to manifest.

So if you make pharma a big big business with tremendous money to earn, then I don't think it is a suprize that people come up and want to pocket that money, no matter the collateral damage.

Years ago I was prescribed AD's for insomnia and the side-effects were nothing compared with the withdrawal symptoms when coming off them. This is chemical lobotomy.
When government sent me to the madhouse, there were some schizophrenic (actually they were R.A.F. sympathisants being therefore declared schizophrenic), so I tried the pills they got. (Yeah, we did such things, we did authentic field investigations.) So what do these pills do? They simply inhibit any complex and differentiated thinking, making the patients docile and obedients followers of Big Brother. Chemical lobotomy, as You say.

Only now we're discovering the scam behind the serotonin theory for depression:
Well, antipsychiatry is established for more than hundred years already, but still people do believe in the new religion of (abused) science.

Anyway, what we confront today is at a different scale. In past times, there were just fractions of deviants who had to be more or less handled, and some government lies could indeed be debunked - coverups did not always work.
But nowadays, practically everything that does not follow the collective stupor of not-seeing, not-hearing, not-thinking, is simply declared a "conspiracy theory", no matter how much evidence gets provided. Antipsychiatry is now also a "conspiracy theory".

And it is no longer about pharma only, it is about the big cartel of Google/Amazon/etc. that now encompasses everything. Now it is not just chemical brainwash in some selected cases, but smartphone brainwash for everybody everyday, total control. That is why any social groups and relations had to be destroyed - because if some people would still stick together, if subcultures would exist outside of the internet, then people could talk to each other and get a reality check, but as everybody is alone and just listening to their smartphone "friends", they cannot.
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The ~1M souls who left us (US) probably would have chosen differently...
I don't know, I just read research in Nature that basically indicates that all Covid vaccines that used viral spike protein as an immunogen (most of them, I think) have zero efficacy by default and would actually hurt humans if immune response was mounted to the spike protein.

The research states that Covid's spike protein binds to fibrin. Fibrin is our self-protein and anything that binds it normally (quite a few things) is also a self-protein. We grow immune tolerance to self-proteins because, well, we don't want our system to attack our own body and its components. The research states that, turns out, the viral spike protein mimics all or many of those things that bind to fibrin that our immune system cannot attack because those are self-proteins. Trying to elicit immune response to the spike protein (and thus to all of the normal fibrin binding 'ligands') would, in fact, create autoimmune disease (your own body learning to attack its own parts that our immune system is normally tolerant to).

And there you have it. Covid vaccines have zero efficacy. And can cause disease. Literally, September 2024 published research in the top research publication, probably submitted to the journal 10-12 months ago.
 
And there you have it. Covid vaccines have zero efficacy. And can cause disease. Literally, September 2024 published research in the top research publication, probably submitted to the journal 10-12 months ago
Yet, the death rate fell once vaccines were introduced. If they could CAUSE disease, surely we would have WIDESPREAD evidence of that disease, no?

And, surely I would be sick after the 8 or 10 shots I've had? Yet, I've not been healthier than I have since 2019! Nor my other half.
 
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