The Merits of Social Media in this Pandemic

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I'm shocked to learn that you didn't know this before yesterday.
I don't hang out with people who would stoop so low as to get news from Facebook or television. Actually, that's not true. Most people get their news from television and I have a very close acquaintance who is a television "news" producer. You can see her creating such great stories about doggie toys and reddit headline makers. I also spent almost 10 years working in that area myself. I worked in television news when real, former newspaper men worked on real news and not only stories about charities, your kids play dates, and the latest trends in fashion. Think "All the President's Men".

Ehm, forums are a form of social media too. Usenet also. When you think about it, the old BBS's were too. Fidonet wouldn't have existed if people didn't want to socially interact with each other.
Back then, you had more educated people. Nowadays, everyone has a voice, including those who--as I said earlier--should probably not be allowed online. Anyone can say anything and then you have those who will believe anything and spread the lies. Sure, it happened in the past but in a limited way among those smart enough to ignore the ignorant.

Similar to this forum. You don't get the internet crazies here like the 80% that occupy reddit. It's a limited, more intelligent group and there is a vetting of content even though it's more relaxed than in the past.
 
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The claim I want to make is that social media has its value.
Until the company behind the social media outlet decides that what you want to share doesn't suit the general demographic and thus they will actively remove such contents. As is already happening on a grand scale.

So to stick with your flat earth theory: when enough government officials consider those stories to be upsetting then it'll just be a matter of time before you can kiss them goodbye.

Which is why I don't see any serious value in social media. Not much more than that of a regular forum. The only difference would be the ease of access, but there's a whole different meaning behind that one. Big brother is definitely around those areas and actively following you provided that you're logged on all the time.
 
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Until the company behind the social media outlet decides that what you want to share doesn't suit the general demographic and thus they will actively remove such contents.
It's privately owned. Which means they can decide what to allow and what not. They're free to remove any content they like, it's their right to do so. The only thing that matters is that they're not consistent when applying their own rules. Content that clearly violates their policy is left online, while perfectly fitting content is removed. It's this apparent randomness that's utterly annoying.

So to stick with your flat earth theory: when enough government officials consider those stories to be upsetting then it'll just be a matter of time before you can kiss them goodbye.
When it's a government that does this it's called censorship. That's an entirely different can of worms.
 
I've posted nudes on facebook,
Claming sensorship on social media is rather hard to implement. [Except in North Korea]
 
I think there is a difficulty. Nowadays, if you happen to be young, people are practically forced to use
these social media - because all the parties and appointments are managed there.
And then you will pick your viewpoints on current events also from there; that is natural, we are more likely to follow in on that what pops up in our peer group, than to do strictly rational evaluations.

So one might get to the point that there is indeed a problem with the fake informations circling there. In earlier times non-mainstream viewpoints were circled as well, but they circled much slower, they were put to test in practical life by many people, and then, if there appeared to be of some value, they might become a living subculture with their own viewpoints, their own media, their own gatherings - hippies, punks, etc.
The test was not if all the informations are logically correct, the test was if they are viable, that means, if they can be practically put to life. A kind of evolutionary test.

Critical thinking, logic, mathematical thinking can be applied...

Yes, that is probably the only thing one can do with the input that comes out of a computer. With the input from real living people we could also use intuition, psychological knowledge, know thyself, and experience.

Fact checkers --> Snopes, Politifact and investigative journalism

Does that lead to anywhere? Politics is ugly, nobody is neutral there. They are all factions pursuing their own agenda. I think if anybody in politics declares themselves a "fact checker", that is already reason enough to not trust them. Because they have a reason why they want people to trust them, and that reason is their agenda.

Critical thinking can be used in relation to that. As a theme, they're supposedly there to help sort out facts, as it is realized this is needed

But why should they? For what benefit? For which party's agenda is it needed?

while propaganda also claims the same.

And each side points at the respective other and says "they do propaganda". Its like schoolboys in a struggle, each stating the other had begun.

So this leads to nothing. And the facts are actually mostly irrelevant. You can have a fact checking, and then you can say, this is a proven fact - but that is useless, because the fact is selected. Out of thousands of existing facts this fact was selected because it is useful (for some agenda). And then it is elaborately proven, to be correct or wrong, whatever. And the other thousand facts, which might shed a different light on the matter, are silently ignored.
That is how "fact checkers" work. They are not much different from propagandists.

Investigative journalism has found use in social media for truths. What is posted there can be verified a number of times, to root out disinformation, or to verify facts, including news.

I think it is mostly a waste of time. There is no single truth. And if you want to generally trust anybody there, you're gullible. Politics is all about power, and the only thing those people want is power.

For all of us, it's better to understand to not know something, than to make up an answer to be satisfied. What other people do and believe falsities affects everything as a society.

I think the only thing that really affects a society is a lack of 'panem et circenses": If there is no proper entertainment for the masses, then society will have a problem. Besides that, any kind of nonsense can be told to a society, and it will continue to function just fine.
Look at the various religious belief systems. They all appear like nonsense to the critical watcher, nevertheless these groups get along fine.

But seeing that, reminded me, that few people (even a teacher) in college even promoted bs to be hateful. A siren in my brain goes off saying, get out of here, (not from physical danger) and my rational thought says, yes get out of here, but do so without making a scene. I sit through that shit, because I spot the door and know if I walk out, my path will get blocked

That's well done. ;) Listen to the intuition, compare it with ratio, and remember the message. But don't fight a fight (or risk an affront) when there isn't the option to win.
 
Does that lead to anywhere? Politics is ugly, nobody is neutral there. They are all factions pursuing their own agenda. I think if anybody in politics declares themselves a "fact checker", that is already reason enough to not trust them. Because they have a reason why they want people to trust them, and that reason is their agenda.

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But why should they? For what benefit? For which party's agenda is it needed?

...

And each side points at the respective other and says "they do propaganda". Its like schoolboys in a struggle, each stating the other had begun.

So this leads to nothing. And the facts are actually mostly irrelevant. You can have a fact checking, and then you can say, this is a proven fact - but that is useless, because the fact is selected. Out of thousands of existing facts this fact was selected because it is useful (for some agenda). And then it is elaborately proven, to be correct or wrong, whatever. And the other thousand facts, which might shed a different light on the matter, are silently ignored.
That is how "fact checkers" work. They are not much different from propagandists.

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I think it is mostly a waste of time. There is no single truth. And if you want to generally trust anybody there, you're gullible. Politics is all about power, and the only thing those people want is power.

When there is propaganda, there's a need for fact checking it. Necessity -> Invention. They realized, there's a need for fact checking, so they made one. Some people care about something, even if it's attached to their ego, impatience with disinformation, helping others, doing what's right. Not every person or organization is dishonest. It depends on why that organization exists, its reputation, its history, its affiliations, etc...

There's a need or want for something like FreeBSD, so they do their purpose, and make enough to pay their bills, while staying true to what it does, and not compromising what it does. Another organization unrelated to software wants to make billions, and only looks at profit while cutting out everything. Big difference.


Investigative journalism actually is transparent. They show you the data, and you can even verify it yourself. It's not some conspiracy, that different people can show different footage angles of a single event, and have so many comments about the same event. Then, journalism being able to verify it, and use photographic forensics on what did or didn't happen.
 
Zuckerberg was a bad person before he started Facebook.
I sometimes wonder whether Zuckerberg actually started Facebook...

It's interesting that Darpa's LifeLog was "canceled" the same day Facebook was founded (Feb 4, 2004).

Both projects had the same aims. Is it that much of a stretch to think that Facebook is simply a new name for LifeLog with a new figurehead?
 
When there is propaganda, there's a need for fact checking it. Necessity -> Invention. They realized, there's a need for fact checking, so they made one. Some people care about something, even if it's attached to their ego, impatience with disinformation, helping others, doing what's right. Not every person or organization is dishonest. It depends on why that organization exists, its reputation, its history, its affiliations, etc...

I see, You're an optimist. ;)
It's sad I just didn't find those people in the politics playground. But then, maybe You have more luck. I wish it to You.
 
Both projects had the same aims. Is it that much of a stretch to think that Facebook is simply a new name for LifeLog with a new figurehead?

That reminds me of the venerable "Vkontakte was started by FSB" theory. There is probably similar crackpot bs floating about any popular social network.

FSB/NSA/GCHQ are not in the business of running internet companies. What these agencies have is ability to coerce any sizable company operating within their respective countries into cooperation through lawful and not so lawful means. They don't need to start those companies, they don't need to operate them, they do not need to be friends with company founders or management. It's called "division of labor", balanga.
 
Facebook is simply a new name for LifeLog
The Reptilians actually started FreeBSD. Need proof? Just compare the logo to an actual photo of Lieutenant Colonel Xhfrla:
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The similarity is evident.
 
That reminds of the venerable "Vkontakte was started by FSB" theory.

Ah! Is this what I think it is? ;)
Then I suppose You also know that "legal-citizen-of-the-world" thing...

FSB/NSA/SIS are not in the business of running internet companies. What these agencies have is ability to coerce any sizable company operating within their respective countries into cooperation through lawful and not so lawful means. They don't need to start those companies, they don't need to operate them, they do not need to be friends with company founders or management. It's called "division of labor", balanga.

Exactly. This "division of labor" is also what solves the issue which SirDice mentioned earlier:

It's privately owned. Which means they can decide what to allow and what not. They're free to remove any content they like, it's their right to do so.

When it's a government that does this it's called censorship. That's an entirely different can of worms.

So, the government makes a law that the private companies have to make certain that only "allowed" (whatever that means) content is published, or otherwise the companies get punished.
 
Ah! Is this what I think it is? ;)

Probably not, I don't believe this ever was a thing beyond the Russian segment of the Internet. You are likely thinking about Durov's claim of FSB persecution, which was a part of his Telegram marketing strategy.
 
Probably not, I don't believe this ever was a thing beyond the Russian segment of the Internet.

It probably wasn't. But then people started fingerpointing at that Russian segment of the Internet, stating there would exist unwelcome political opinions and stay uncensored, and that made me curious (obviousely those "opinions" were female and quite good-looking). That was the first time I heard about VK.

So I cursed myself another time for not having learned russian language, and started to try and unravel the whole story right from the beginning, nevertheless. I certainly didn't get it all, but what I could figure, well, it's quite entertaining. :)
 
It's interesting that Darpa's LifeLog was "canceled" the same day Facebook was founded (Feb 4, 2004).

Both projects had the same aims. Is it that much of a stretch to think that Facebook is simply a new name for LifeLog with a new figurehead?
Let's say near that date is related, and not a coincidence. It makes more sense that Zuckerberg was influenced and motivated by it. Zuckerberg also bought up many competitors, so his behavior is to absorb other companies, ideas or technologies. He stole from his college mates. It's how he operates. Suggesting they were in it together is a stretch. Zuckerberg is some kind of nerd who has some obsession with prying on and disrespecting people, and he thinks that's an accomplishment. He likely already knew about it, and was following it, and near that date was probably the trigger for him.

A lot of things start about the time something else stops. There's usually someone else picking up where someone else left off. It's influence. They're following something, and when it stops, they continue it. There's also two different people who invented prepositional calculus independently at around the same time from different locations. Ideas that were the precursors probably passed between them indirectly, among people who didn't know each other, or world wide, and to them the next steps were obvious.

Zuckerberg also has things ready, and he times things. As when he was hired to do something, and he stalled, sabotaged and stole from his college peers to start Facebook. That's who he is.

 
Did anyone mention the venture capital fund behind google already? *whistle innocently*
 
I would not be surprised if the CIA does not have some influence on Facebook.
The CIA and NSA get blamed for everything. It's a ruse by the KGB, the Chinese, and every other secret agency to distract everyone from their own activities that don't get mentioned anywhere near as often. It's like in the 1950s and 1960s when everything was blamed on the atomic bomb.
 
And when you take your tinfoil hat off and put the thinking cap on - where a trough is the swine will come.
Do you really think that the local alphabet soup agencies do not have access to the data? No matter who founded it or is running it - as a US company you have no choice other than handing over the keys to the castle. Same goes for all other nations and their local No Such Operation dudes.
 
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Nothing wrong with getting news from social media. As long as it's from a reputable news source. The thing about social media however is that there's a lot of fake news being created that looks like it came from a reputable source. And there are lots of drones out there that will just blindly forward everything that comes across their path without questioning its validity.
 
Even the news organizations of yesteryear where biased. Some more than others but they all reported from their worldview. That hasn't changed and that's why you need to watch news from various different sources.
 
SirDice It most certainly has changed and I would not trust any television news organization today. Even PBS stumbles along these lines recently. I agree that one needs to check several sources but the problem is that almost all sources today are tainted and unreliable. Just yesterday, NBC "news" reported something they learned about an event from a Facebook post. A Facebook post?! One post?!!

Geez
 
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