Taking the diversity mantra to the extreme

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fryshke

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And that's the error! I do give a ... about gender! Because nature itself does, otherwise we wouldn't exist.
That's exactly the bullshit, that you come along talking people should become sterile neutrums! They aren't, and it's a blasphemy against nature to expect they should becume.

Never seen a woman who would want to be "unremarkable".
"Never seen a woman who would want to be "unremarkable"." Nice. Every women wants to be a model? Anyways, I was talking about situation.

And if you think gender matters in this profession, try typing on keyboard using your fingers instead of your genitals - way more WPM. :))
 

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And why don't women wanna program? Maybe because passion starts during childhood, and young girls don't really have much heroes in IT and everywhere they look they see boys and they think it's not for them?
So at least I showed one that it could be something for her. And what did You achieve?
 

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So at least I showed one that it could be something for her. And what did You achieve?
I achieved not thinking that every woman wants to be remarkable, like attention whore or instagram model. :) Also that if it doesn't involve genitals or physical strength - gender doesn't really matter for a lot of people. It's people who matter, not their gender.

I don't think you can achieve this in your lifetime.
 

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I asked many female friends of mine, they simply don't want to work in the IT field simply because they can't stand sitting down in front of the monitor for hours. It's bad for their beauty, they said.

I asked many gay friends of mine, they said they would rather prefer to work as fashion designers and content makers rather than IT.
I sincerely doubt it. 🌈
 

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Some men are more femininely programmed than most, like some women are more masculinely programmed than most. (Practically all male and female homosexuals I know and talked about that delicate issue have been sexually abused and traumatized in childhood, so this is my personal theory of what tragedy causes this kind of "glitch" in the natural programming)

Often I think about the role of education and how it changed over time, and the differences in education over the world.
In the communist countries the conditions matched womens' needs much better.
Regular work times, no overtime working, no pressures like that, as your company could fire employees practically only if they committed felonies against their employer.
Companies had their own kindergartens so that if there was a problem, mom could always leave work and take care of the child.

German politicians now plan a mandatory 50% women quota in public services, in spite of the fact that many women chose the role of housewife. So we get a new kind of inequality, as women who choose to work will get the job, even if their qualification is far lower than their fellow male applicants. I have difficulties to believe this kind of "affirmative action" will increase the overall quality of public service, I rather believe the contrary.

Another thing that strikes me. Three women pulled through the nuclear armaments of their countries, Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi, Benazir Bhutto. The latter two of them sidelined the process of establishing themselves as politicians the normal hard way by just going the easy dynasty way. They had a different programming, not the normal "female" one, but the power elites' one, which includes a considerable amount of recklessness.
 

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Some men are more femininely programmed than most, like some women are more masculinely programmed than most. (Practically all male and female homosexuals I know and talked about that delicate issue have been sexually abused and traumatized in childhood, so this is my personal theory of what tragedy causes this kind of "glitch" in the natural programming)
I do not agree to that. There is a lot more to that, it is much more interesting, and it can be approached by self-experiment.
I am very much into programming and into systems-theory, and the mind is a system and can be programmed - so I enjoy perceiving it that way, and the outcome is often, well, quite interesting. Lets perceive things in a rational, analytic way, instead of an opinionated, politically biased, dogmatic way!

Lets first look at something slightly different: the experience of disgust. There are certain things most people will perceive with disgust, eg. excrements, maggots, ...
Now, we know that very young children do NOT have this perception! That was documented by Sigmund Freud, and anybody having children can verify it. (I myself, as a young boy, was happily carrying around the worms and grubs from the garden into the neighbourhood - they were fascinating creatures of nature, at that time. ;) )
That means, at some later time that perception of disgust must get programmed into our minds. And so, as it is just programmed, it must be possible to undo that programming.
I might suppose you will have a hard time trying that *eg* - but there are some tricks on how to access these deeper levels of the mental programming.

The sexual preference is placed at a quite similarly deep level of the mind. And, as far as I found out, in the beginning of life this is also an open EPROM - open to any gender; there is not a preference already set!
Only at a later time the actual preference gets notched in, on a scale somewhere between homo and hetero. (Nobody is purely hetero and nobody is purely homo, we're all placed somewhere on this scale.)
So yes, you can access this programming, you can play around and experiment with the preferences. You might even be able to slightly change the programming.
Some people might recommend to do such things under the supervision of a therapist. I am a mystician, I think we ourselves have the full right to work on our own programming - but be warned: you might experience unexpected changes to your personality. ;)

Have fun!

P.S.: And don't try these things with drugs. (Yes I know it works with drugs. But don't do it.)
 

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What about what about. One problem at the time, okay? Okay. Humoring your what about what about - yes, it's a problem, why male nurses or male sewers are still getting scoffed at? Go make a fucking thread and we'll discuss that there, stop crying what about what about.

And why don't women wanna program? Maybe because passion starts during childhood, and young girls don't really have much heroes in IT and everywhere they look they see boys and they think it's not for them?
Or they just don't want to do it which is my point. Maybe girls are **gasp** different than boys!!! And there is no mystery in that. Why are so many people so intent on making girls just like boys? For that matter, why aren't people trying to make boys just like girls?

Notice I made my point without acting like a neanderthal and using gutter language.

So my new point to you is watch your language. This place isn't the reddit gutter.
 
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Your disturbing lack of understanding what gender equality means is exactly the reason why there's not many women in IT. The mental gymnastics required to go from women in IT to "Do you think we should add code in Free Pascal, Rust, Free Basic,... to the FreeBSD source code to ensure 'programming languages diversity'?" is batshit insane.
You are a very old account but so far I only see rants. You are the most unique I ever seen!
BTW, could you strip the word 'shit' from your comments? Seemed you can't going without it! :)
 
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Or they just don't want to do it which is my point. Maybe girls are **gasp** different than boys!!! And there is no mystery in that. Why are so many people so intent on making girls just like boys? For that matter, why aren't people trying to make boys just like girls?
Finally at least someone thinks like me!
 

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Some men are more femininely programmed than most, like some women are more masculinely programmed than most. (Practically all male and female homosexuals I know and talked about that delicate issue have been sexually abused and traumatized in childhood, so this is my personal theory of what tragedy causes this kind of "glitch" in the natural programming)
Homosexual behaviour has been observed regularly at higher animals, e.g. male dolphins, who often live in small groups to chase together, and IIRC dogs, too. 2nd, homosexual behaviour is a natural episode in a human's child life. 3rd, there are animals who can change their gender when they meet a potential partner; if they do not match, one or both changes gender until they match. So it seems that there's more to this than your "observation", which is, obviously, subjective & you would have to collect statistically sound data to derive a conclusion. On that other topic, sadly so, misuse of children is a fact and it happens far more often than we think. I'd go so far as to say that the catholic church is a criminal organisation to cover, protect & spread child's abuse. Quoting the honourable Anne Clark:
"They f*ck you up, your mum and dad
They may not mean to but they do
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you

But they were f*cked up in their turn
By fools in old style hats and coats
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one anothers throats

Man hands on misery to man
It deepens like a coastal shelf
Get out as early as you can
And don't have any kids yourself
"
(Anne Clark: This Be The Verse)
In the communist countries the conditions matched womens' needs much better.
There have never been communistic countries. The technocrats ruling called it "real existent socialism", but all knew that was a lie. They were not even socialistic, but dictatorships, governed by a class of technocrats, who even managed to inherit their privileges to their children, just like their presumed worst enemy, the aristocrats.
Regular work times, no overtime working, no pressures like that, as your company could fire employees practically only if they committed felonies against their employer.
Or against the ruling class.
 

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Apparently some of you can't discus this as adults without insults and swear words. Closed.
 
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