Neomutt + Gmail alternative providers

revivaloflostart

revivaloflostart

I'm thinking of leaving Gmail for Protonmail (anyone got other suggestions?) and trying neomutt for the first time as well.

I've heard people mentioning setting neomutt to utilize the gmail folders and labels (default: inbox, spam, draft, etc), but is it possible to set up custom folders and labels as well in neomutt? so that all the mails will automatically go to the right folder and have the right label just like how we typically do it in the web client?

In addition, can this be done regardless of what email provider you use? I think with protonmail, there's some kind of imap bridge that's required?
 
fernandel said:
Protonmail doesn't suport IMAP.
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they do now I think; relatively new I believe.
https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/imap-smtp-and-pop3-setup/
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Yes, they currently support IMAP but just for paid accounts. You need to install some kind of `bridge` to talk with their protocol.

If you go for it let us know if that bridge already works on FreeBSD.

Thanks!
 
ya just clicked the activate button for imap -> for paid users only :(

when i saw my account having the imap listed, i thought maybe they had some policy change and it's now available for all users. lol sigh

need to look for another email provider then. i would just use gmail, but i travel to china a few times a year and gmail is blocked there so i'm looking for some good alternatives :(
 
I get very little mail actually, so I just download from gmail with pop, send it maildrop and have maildrop sort it. I go through it on my mutt page a bit. http://srobb.net/mutt.html (These days I use neomutt). For sorting imap mail, there are a few tools.

One of the popular ones is imapfilter, but I've not used it myself.

https://github.com/lefcha/imapfilter

Many of our clients have had good results with fastmail, but I'm not sure
about their China policy. (quick look at google) ah, not blocked in China.

https://www.comparitech.com/privacy-security-tools/blockedinchina/fastmail/
 
Yandex is like the Russian Google, works pretty well (the IMAP is bit slow connecting from here but already expected), and if you own a domain you can setup your MX (or all your DNSes) in there for free including 1000 email accounts.

Ah, and they use FreeBSD. :)
 
I can vouch as a paid user of protonmail that it is a very good email service. However I am rather disappointed that they seem to not have an interest in offering the bridge client for *BSD as they do for Linux.
 
You might also consider tuta.com for mail. Situated in Germany, and as such being more shielded from state interference than Swiss based providers (like proton which considers relocation to Germany for that reason)
 
RobvW said:
You might also consider tuta.com for mail. Situated in Germany, and as such being more shielded from state interference than Swiss based providers (like proton which considers relocation to Germany for that reason)
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It wonders me. I think, Switzerland is better for privacy. Perhaps proton is giving up?

UPDATE:
Switzerland is becoming like the rest of the world:

www.heise.de

Surveillance: Proton relocates parts of its infrastructure from Switzerland

According to a Swiss monitoring ordinance, services with more than 5000 users must identify customers.
www.heise.de www.heise.de
 
So, any time I see ProtonMail mentioned I can't help myself but say:
1) It stores encryption key on servers
2) I used mailbox.org (Germany) it allow me to upload my owns GPG public key and will perform incoming email encryption unless email is already encrypted
3) mailbox.org supports IMAP so my encrypted emails can be decrypted only on devices controlled by me (unless someone figures out how to steal and unblock my NitroKey which stores private part of GPG key).

The only possible downside I see is that e-mail metadata (headers) are not encrypted, but then again nobody can bruteforce my encryption private key (unlike with ProtonMail). My GPG key never gets stored on 3rd party servers, it never gents transferred over network.
 
graudeejs said:
So, any time I see ProtonMail mentioned I can't help myself but say:
1) It stores encryption key on servers
2) I used mailbox.org (Germany) it allow me to upload my owns GPG public key and will perform incoming email encryption unless email is already encrypted
3) mailbox.org supports IMAP so my encrypted emails can be decrypted only on devices controlled by me (unless someone figures out how to steal and unblock my NitroKey which stores private part of GPG key).

The only possible downside I see is that e-mail metadata (headers) are not encrypted, but then again nobody can bruteforce my encryption private key (unlike with ProtonMail). My GPG key never gets stored on 3rd party servers, it never gents transferred over network.
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mmm.
that's fair.
the thing is i have a paid account, until december 2026. maybe it was not the best idea when i did that, some 10y ago.
maybe i'll switch to the one you suggest (3euros/month seems fair for my use).

however, why do all email services need to provide other functions? isn't there a way to have *just* a good secure email (with webclient and imap) without visio, office-online-like, calendar, contacts and who knows what else. if i need coffee i have a coffee machine thank you very much!
 
hern42 said:
however, why do all email services need to provide other functions? isn't there a way to have *just* a good secure email (with webclient and imap) without visio, office-online-like, calendar, contacts and who knows what else. if i need coffee i have a coffee machine thank you very much!
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There is a way, but then your mails are treated like spam. Till now google does not answer:

H

Thread 'Google began sending mails from my server to SPAM folder'

I comply with everything here:

Email sender guidelines - Google Workspace Admin Help

The guidelines in this article can help you successfully send and deliver email to personal Gmail accounts. Starting in 2024, email senders must meet the requirements described here to send email to G
support.google.com support.google.com

The Server is only experimental, mail relay is filtered with most strict spamhouse db, no signal misuse.

It is frustrating, it seems one is forced to use the service of big mail providers.
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