Looking at the labwc dependencies, this is not very stripped down. Almost 150 dependencies including perl5, cairo, llvm11 and llvm19.
Considering that CDE, a full desktop environment is only 45.
Looking at the labwc dependencies, this is not very stripped down. Almost 150 dependencies including perl5, cairo, llvm11 and llvm19.
Indeed but I was answering to a post that mentioned KDE, XFCE and Gnome.
I suppose everything is relative. Xfce4 is probably the lighter of those DEs and comes in at 268 dependencies. But I suppose that is actually less than double labwc which is frustrating considering it is an entire DE.
pkg rquery '%dn-%dv' icewm | wc -l
21
They all have a little more if you count the build dependencies too.
It generally shouldn't be there. What typically happens is that one library happens to provide Perl bindings so the port (IMO) incorrectly pulls it in to use those optional bindings. In other platforms, they call this a "soft", "weak" or "recommended" dependency"
objdump -x | grep NEEDED or ldd to find out what is really required. I do this with large packages like obs-studio, gimp, libreoffice and firefox because there is zero chance I am scattering all that shite over my disk XD. But alas, this is not in any way a supported configuration.By the way the missing alias was added since then:
$ pkg alias | fgrep rquery
rall-depends 'rquery %dn-%dv'
rcomment 'rquery -i "%c"'
rdesc 'rquery -i "%e"'
roptions 'rquery -i "%n - %Ok: %Ov"'
runmaintained 'rquery -e '%m = "ports@FreeBSD.org"' '%o (%w)''I like the idea of a BSD-specific graphics stack better than Linux's
But I also like the idea of not having as much Linux stuff as-possible while not using Linux. Like it seems like USB/etc is native to FreeBSD, but wifi and graphics come from Linux.)
[20:24][fmc000@tu45b-freebsd ~] $ pkg rquery '%dn-%dv' labwc | wc -l
16
[20:24][fmc000@tu45b-freebsd ~] $
If it makes you feel any better about using the software the only thing that Linux systems use that is Linux is the kernel. The majority of the other software is GNU. Some of the software comes from BSDs and many other places. But the GNU project is actually working on their own kernel called HURD and that will be a Linux free system as well. I think most of the things you are thinking of are specific to the GNU system not the Linux kernel.I like the idea of a BSD-specific graphics stack better than Linux's
The drm-kmod ordeal on fresh 14.2-R and that pkg, 515, and 61 versions I feel adds complexity that doesn't need to exist.
It's something like ndiswrapper (Windows wifi inf on Linux) or hda-codecs for macOS Hackintosh needing built from Linux/Windows and their HDA stack first; those solutions work, but I don't like the idea of other stuff coming from other OSs if it can be helped (native Linux wifi and VoodooHDA auto "magic" also work
Good luck running twm without XorgJust for interest I thought I'd find out... using SirDice's method suggested in this thread
$ pkg rquery '%dn-%dv' twm | wc -l
7
Not too bad. I was a bit surprised windowmaker has that many, but if you list them its mostly X11 stuff and various image libraries. Bit surprised to see perl5 but I guess perl is just about a given on any modern unix system, maybe they use it for configuration, just guessing.
Yikes, yeah, I hope it goes well. They've only been working on it since the mid 1980s. I'm sure they're due for some success?
Xvnc, Xwayland, X11/SSH are popular alternatives.
There's a blast from the past.
I like the idea of a BSD-specific graphics stack better than Linux's
This is why I am using Nvidia now because they have driver support for FreeBSD.
It's pretty fantastic.That's what I am using as well. It's a 4K display with Plasma on X11. It's pretty great for gaming and the support on Plasma in gaming, for some reason, performs better than other display system. I'm not sure what they're doing that make the games work better but they are noticeably better and in some cases work on plasma and not on others. But yeah, back to the OP post. There are a lot of techs present in FreeBSD that are also present in other systems.I recently got my hands on a 4K high DPI screen (15.6"). That's when I gave wayland and kde plasma 5 a try, to get the full native high DPI support, and it works very nicely. The old X window managers work fine on the old standard 0.27mm dot pitch screens, but on high DPI they don't scale well, everything comes out really tiny. Of course you can spend forever tweaking and you might even get it to work, but plasma works straight out of the box. Perhaps the wmaker team are working on high DPI, I hope so, but obviously that would be a major piece of work.
That sounds interesting! I found this from 2 yrs ago about KDE on Windows 7: https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/1599vc4/kde_on_windows_im_not_joking/
I knew you could install it on WSL but I didn't know there was a proper Windows version.That sounds interesting! I found this from 2 yrs ago about KDE on Windows 7: https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/1599vc4/kde_on_windows_im_not_joking/
Windows graphics stack with Plasma desktop would probably be unstoppable
I have reduced these painful jumps as much as possible: if FreeBSD/Wayland/sway can't cope, then there is always the old HDD with Windows 11.
