How Facebook tracks you on Android

Spartrekus

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Google promoted opensource (Summer of Code, contributions to XMPP, Go). It's difficult to tell if their agenda is good, neutral, bad or some combination of those based on their opinion. Still, its not good to trust a company with everything, even one that's not bad, whether they get hacked, or for unforseen consequences.

Facebook has a bad agenda, and Bill Gates of Microsoft had a big ego.
I didn't know if Google is evil, but it is something that has to be considered. There is definitely no reason to trust them, as you are right about marketing departments. They will always try to convince you of what they want you to think about them. It couldn't be assumed Google is using it for intentionally bad purposes, but in the end, even if good is intended, there will be a lot of ethical dilemas, where Google is not qualified to make every distinction. As someone said above, they're not God, and people including CEOs have potential to abuse power. Anyone who desires power, especially in this way, can't be trusted. Look at the hold some kept on people in their country, to creating religion based on themselves, watching people, encouraging spying. They use charisma, or convince others they are innocent. Look at Scientology, which is worse than a confession booth, it uses secrets to subjugate and manipulate. It appeared as if the representative from Google was saying, if you do something bad in their opinion, it will be exposed, and as if they were keeping tabs on that. Whatever Google's purpose, there's unacceptable potential for abuse.

That particular incident was about Facebook, but it can be applied to any company for potential of abuse.

I've always gotten that. John Henry could only temporarily go up against a machine, and AI will always beat us in board games, and can do that all day long, while we sleep or rest for a big part of the day. Some have beaten AI, but very few, they need sleep, and they can't do it regularly, and they probably can't beat it anymore.

Maybe you stumbled on something. When I can't make definite conclusions on assumptions whether something is true, there's no valid reason for Google or any other company to do that. If they weren't using it for intentionally evil purposes (which is now kind of doubtful), they are going to use it for maintaining elitism or for preserving themselves, while good or not inherently bad people don't get protections from harsh realities or evil actors, which would still be evil.

What does anyone make of Google's promotion of opensource? I don't know what to make of that. Kind of like, get its foot in the door, or software freedom?
You can trust them, definitely that it is for big business. As soon as there is business from informatic's mongers, you can expect spying and removing freedom. However, services for services does harm the economy.

The best would be that you must have a Google smartphone or nano embedded devices always with you, to allow most livings, to deal with bank, to pay in shops, ... to order a pizza, to simply turn on TV, to start the wash machine,... That makes your life easier, to have more entertainment, but then .... revolution to get back the most important: freedom of living.
 

hitest

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Thankfully the FB exodus continues.
I have no regrets about deleting my FB account. It is good to be free of all social media platforms. Corporate social media surveillance platforms are detrimental.
 

xtremae

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It would be interesting to provide an estimate of how many man hours are spent on these platforms on a daily basis.
 

ralphbsz

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While this is definitely true, the reality is (as usual) more complex. To begin with, some of Facebook's big competitors have also had their share of scandals. And of the smaller ones (like Palantir and Uber), the scandals or problems have been worse: look at the customers of Palantir (not usually the kind of industry that young software engineers want to be associated with), and the sexual culture at Uber (where a few years ago one got the feeling that they hired women mostly to provide amusement to its founder and CEO). At the same time, the big traditional IT companies (HP, IBM, Oracle=Sun) are struggling badly, and young successful people don't want to work there. And as much as Facebook is seen from the outside as mostly a privacy violating machine, quite a few folks who work there still see themselves as a force for good: they are creating a machine that allows people to communicate effectively with other people.
 

Chea

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Here's a fun read about how google tracks you as well.
Google Data Collection .

I've always heard that if you want to use facebook on your phone to keep it in its own browser. I'm glad I no longer have a FB account.
 

Sevendogsbsd

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I use facebook and twitter. FB is used mainly to annoy and confuse my wife with tech posts. I do not have the FB app on my phone and only access it using my browser. Most FB posting is from this laptop. I am pretty observant about apps on my phone and also use netstat to check outgoing traffic. I also neuter app permissions if possible, and pull perms from apps when I don't see a logical reason for them to have a specific permission. I know we are tracked by various apps on our phones but there is some functionality that is just useful and I use it so I don't really care if google tracks me.
 

OJ

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sidetone

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No hack necessary. Zuckerberg infringes private user data to public view for free, but more often than not, he also says show me the money. I don't know which is more important to Zuckerberg, humiliating his user base or making money. I'm a bit surprised that someone like him did not do both at every opportunity. Maybe he was advertising to buyers of data when he made private user data public without consent.
 
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