FreeBSD website redesign...

Is that a compliment?
it was meant to be an insult but now that you asked i guess do what you want with that
i just skimmed thru it and noticed the em-dashes along with the bullet points and the formal quotation marks and the bold and noticed a similarity, plus the intonation a little (it feels human at the same time it feels AI, probably thanks to the formatting)

My expertise and WWW audit methodology are public (still in Lithuanian only, sorry).
hmm
 
Has John Lasseter paid for his transgressions? He has never had anything to do with BSD more significant than the original sketch AFAIK. Maybe we need to make a statement that it belongs to the community and doesn't make any statement about the morality of the artist.

I'd like to bring back the old beastie too. Maybe the one on the 4.4BSD book cover.

OTOH, maybe we should do a contest for a new one that is a 2026 take on the spirit of the original?
I personally have no issue with that, designs can and should be reinterpreted over time. I just think the whole idea of coddling people that lack the ability to actually understand what they're being offended by to be a waste of time and energy. There's been a FAQ entry for literally decades explaining that it's not an evil demon or any such thing. It's more like Maxwell's Daemon.
 
I have no reason to go to the homepage. I have the forum bookmarked and always start from there. However, it does seem muddled - a huge heading and download links before even offering a description of the main features and purpose of the OS - download and install before finding out what it can do?

Surely the first thing a newcomer needs to know is why this rather than anything else? Only once they think it might meet their needs would they think of trying it, so the download link should follow rather than precede the information. Then the featured features are of minority interest only. The real reasons for choosing this OS would be reliability, consistency, usefulness - the values which make FreeBSD superior for certain purposes. Most OSes can run VMs. Most have some form of sandboxing/jails for those who really want them. All major ones provide solid networking and routing capabilities. These don't make FreeBSD special, just ordinary. What makes it special is the commitment to Unix structures, the emphasis on stability, and its permissive licence. Otherwise, it's much the same as any other OS, though slightly more complicated to set up for everyday desktop use, especially for driving some hardware devices. For technically-minded people this extra complexity is not important, but that's another characteristic which dictates the likely market. For others it might not be the best choice, but that's OK too. They have other options.
 
I have no reason to go to the homepage. I have the forum bookmarked and always start from there. However, it does seem muddled - a huge heading and download links before even offering a description of the main features and purpose of the OS - download and install before finding out what it can do?

Surely the first thing a newcomer needs to know is why this rather than anything else? Only once they think it might meet their needs would they think of trying it, so the download link should follow rather than precede the information. Then the featured features are of minority interest only. The real reasons for choosing this OS would be reliability, consistency, usefulness - the values which make FreeBSD superior for certain purposes. Most OSes can run VMs. Most have some form of sandboxing/jails for those who really want them. All major ones provide solid networking and routing capabilities. These don't make FreeBSD special, just ordinary. What makes it special is the commitment to Unix structures, the emphasis on stability, and its permissive licence. Otherwise, it's much the same as any other OS, though slightly more complicated to set up for everyday desktop use, especially for driving some hardware devices. For technically-minded people this extra complexity is not important, but that's another characteristic which dictates the likely market. For others it might not be the best choice, but that's OK too. They have other options.
Yeah, I don't care about zfs, jails, or bhyve. I just use my system to play video games, watch films, listen to podcasts, work on my web project, record and edit audio, edit graphics. I basically use my system for multimedia, entertainment and editing documents.
 
Yeah, I don't care about zfs, jails, or bhyve. I just use my system to play video games, watch films, listen to podcasts, work on my web project, record and edit audio, edit graphics. I basically use my system for multimedia, entertainment and editing documents.
yeah looks like whoever designed this thought the people who would read this would be as interested as an experienced user, but then what would even be the point of that since the website is a first impression for so many people visiting it
 
1. Redesign purpose — “Web for all”: liquid, “responsive” design, that fits in a window of any size, accessible by a touchscreen, by any device from a small smartphone to a projector on the wall, readable by text-only browsers (TUI), without scripts, graphics, media, even with no CSS styling rules. No versions for reader mode, for disabled, for presentation, etc. Conclusion: good work!

2. Usability and clarity for visitors. What is the purpose of the website? Who are the intended visitors? Which services are intended for passersby, for customers, for partners, for ourselves? I think the homepage is dedicated to newbies and newcomers from other operating systems. Long-time users have bookmarked specific forum threads, Git repositories, RSS news feeds, mailing lists, etc. As such, the information organized and presented in a fairly clear and concise way — OK. How would I like to improve?
“About”: “Introduction” = “Resources for Newbies”:
  • The FreeBSD Handbook and FAQ… — OK.
  • Articles for deeper understanding of specific topics. — I would also add this entry as a second (middle) item in the list.
  • Manual pages are good for reference but not always the best introduction for a novice. They generally provide information on a specific command, driver or service. — I would rather say that:
    Manual pages are complete references, they provide detailed information on a specific command, driver or service.
“Books and Articles Online” = “Documentation” — I am wondering why the article list does not include what I consider to be the most important one for newcomers: Slawomir Wojciech's (vermaden) “Quare FreeBSD”? He has laid out precise and unbiased criteria to understand strengths of FreeBSD and distinguish differences from Linux and other OSes. I would link it from the top of the front page, perhaps from the description or slogan, at least from the word “Power”.

The light/dark background toggle should be placed at the top, since visitors will want to switch it right away rather than reading all the way to the end.

3. Accessibility and semantics for bots. It would be beneficial to refine entries as clear as possible for indexing crawlers, SEO (Search Engine Optimization), too.
  • Metadata: descriptions, keywords in ‹head›;
  • Alt txt, figcaptions for images, media, etc.
  • It would be better to link section headers ‹h3› (on the frontpage) to an appropriate article, manpage, or handbook chapter.
  • If only the horns are now officially considered the FreeBSD logo, then the whole little daemon should be renamed as a mascot or something.
  • It probably is not difficult to fix a few HTML, CSS, Atom errors.
  • And to slim down the excess weight of some images.
  • Maybe also improve INP for overall website performance.
EFF Privacy Badger finds no trackers, and The Privacy Inspector praises this website as completely clean and visitor-friendly.

Overall, the redesign turned out pretty well, congratulations!

Not again 🤦‍♂️ .. Is nothing personal or disrespect,but use your own words and you own brain please
 
never heard of that one, but even by skimming thru it i can already see it's a lot more clean and polished than whatever the hell that is
Gee, I just like dashboards. Who doesn't? EVERYONE does, judging by the FreeBSD screenshots thread where everyone's desktop looks like a spacecraft front panel with flight management systems with all sorts of metrics in all sorts of ways. FreeBSD website should mirror that, at least some elements could reverberate with that.
 
some elements, yeah
you do have to consider that it might be a person's first time on that website and so spitting so much information at once wouldn't leave a good first impression

and i personally don't like those kinds of desktops, in fact i try to keep mine as minimal as i can, one thing to focus at a time
 
How about a mention for Desktop use? While the first 3 points (ZFS, Virtualization, Jails) are nice; I've used FreeBSD without all of those :cool:

Under Desktop could be Xorg, Wayland, and XLibre mentions: While other OSs are going for Wayland, FreeBSD not only supports tried-and-true Xorg/X11, it's cool enough to have XLibre too!
 
some elements, yeah
you do have to consider that it might be a person's first time on that website and so spitting so much information at once wouldn't leave a good first impression

and i personally don't like those kinds of desktops, in fact i try to keep mine as minimal as i can, one thing to focus at a time
You are just too lazy to set up a monster conky desktop.
conky-example.jpg
 
How about a mention for Desktop use? While the first 3 points (ZFS, Virtualization, Jails) are nice; I've used FreeBSD without all of those :cool:

Under Desktop could be Xorg, Wayland, and XLibre mentions: While other OSs are going for Wayland, FreeBSD not only supports tried-and-true Xorg/X11, it's cool enough to have XLibre too!
yup this is definitely something they missed an opportunity in adding, but i guess when the OS is mostly used for servers there's not much thought about that part
i too have never used ZFS nor virtualization nor jails on FBSD (heck i don't even know what the latter really is)
 
How about a mention for Desktop use? While the first 3 points (ZFS, Virtualization, Jails) are nice; I've used FreeBSD without all of those :cool:

Under Desktop could be Xorg, Wayland, and XLibre mentions: While other OSs are going for Wayland, FreeBSD not only supports tried-and-true Xorg/X11, it's cool enough to have XLibre too!
The term desktop is visual-oriented Microsoft culture. A graphical screen showing programs in windows with multitasking is a desktop? FreeBSD only supports it via 3rd-party software. Putting anything about it on the OS frontpage wouldn't make much sense.
I don't agree with the default limitation to non-graphical only, though. We're not usiong ROM fonts anymore. Everything is graphical anyway.
 
shit looks like it came straight from a movie, why do you need so much information all at once

Stuff like this in my opinion belongs to 'infotainment' area. You get some information, and a lot of eye candy.
loveydovey organized it as "PIM" (Personal Info Management) stuff on the left, network in the center, and load on the right.
The right side is generic conky stuff but the left side is neatly organized for 'daily tasks'.

Which kinda hits the point of conky, in my opinion it is better to show clock and RSS feeds and todo list and whatnot, only display worse offenders for hw load, because conky is a very shitty tool for actual hw monitoring.

How about a mention for Desktop use? While the first 3 points (ZFS, Virtualization, Jails) are nice; I've used FreeBSD without all of those :cool:

Under Desktop could be Xorg, Wayland, and XLibre mentions: While other OSs are going for Wayland, FreeBSD not only supports tried-and-true Xorg/X11, it's cool enough to have XLibre too!

Isn't this misleading? The Xorg/XLibre on Linux do not have lesser functionality.
The motion of Linux work towards Wayland-primary GUI apps hurts FreeBSD more than Linux.
If anything, we have less options than them. But (sometimes) our one option is better than 3 of theirs. It might even be the same option (like ZFS) but it is treated at FreeBSD in completely different fashion.

The core difference of FreeBSD to Linux remains the "whole OS" approach. I fail to see how this is communicated on the front page.

Try to put yourself in a POV where you know nothing BSD, go to FreeBSD.org, read everything on the index page, and tell me what makes you think this isn't a Linux distro?
 
because conky is a very shitty tool for actual hw monitoring.
It is.
Either everything - storage space, CPU load, temperatures, network traffic - is OK. Then you don't need to watch this information continously.
For example I know I have enough space left on my storages. How many exactly currently, 876G, 687G? I don't know. And I don't care, because it doesn't matter. If I wanna know I look it up. Which I do sometimes, of course. You need to have an eye on it. But not every minute, not even daily. All I know is, it's OK. And that's all I need to know.
Or it's NOK. But then you had it recognized it already anyway otherwise, and better use some other, specific tool to examine the bottleneck.
And if conky is configured to produce lots (all) of information at high frequency it becomes a real burden for the machine itself: >60% of your machine's power is used for just telling you your machine is at 60% load.🤪

Short:
Either your machine is sufficient for the jobs you do with it, or not.
In neither case conky helps.
That's the start for a good UI design: first remove all useless and redundant information.

conky is for kids just installed a liquid cooler posing (mostly for themsleves):
"Wow! Look how cool my CPU is!" 🥳😂
I simply know at light loads my CPU is at 28°C, and even full load will never exceed 56°C because my cooler is suffiecient. I do not need no temperature gauge permanently visible for that. 😁😎

But what does conky have to do with the FreeBSD new webpage design?
 
I think it's a bit of a letdown that you don't get any visual feedback when you hover over a menu item at the top. That's usually standard. Also, the links in the menu don't span the full width, which is also odd.
 
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