Firefox to go full AI with new CEO

A couple of librewolf screenshots. Version 146.0-2, the current package version. It's not bad. I think waterfox is more complete and sophisticated. I was able to install ublock origin, it appears to be working.
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Well, it seems to work ok here. Looks like another option.

So what's next, AirCoyote?
 
Well, this was on slashdot, https://news.slashdot.org/story/25/...-switch-to-completely-disable-all-ai-features, so supposedly firefox will have an AI kill switch.

The wording by the Mozilla emplyee still leaves the question whether the switch just turns off the UI elements or whether it also disables all the inner workings.

Then there is the "Mozilla has contacted me shortly after writing the story to confirm that the "AI Kill Switch" will be implemented in Q1 2026."". Does that mean AI features launch first without it?
 
Not a fan of Palemoon:


Palemoon is a Firefox fork, no? Try a different fork like Waterfox. Or ungoogled-chromium. I don't run the latter cause I build my own packages and its build time is frankly ridiculous.

yes,is a firefox fork I think, the last time I use it was a bit slow compared to others...and only use it because it uses gtk2...but now I dont care about that,so..moving to waterfox
 
And who is coding that switch in?
"Yeah sure we turned all the AI off, trust me" says the code with fingers crossed.

Well, in their defense, we will be able to read the code and judge how much the Kill Switch actually does.
 
I'm not saying it's not important. It just reads like everyone's scrambling around for an immediate solution as in blackbird9 first video.
is like a "dejavu" ..sorry ,I quoted your post drhowarddrfine , but is like a dejavu, if they let it as a choise, well..but are changes that are implemented by brute force
I mean,in that moment I realize that users dont mean nothing to them,is like the arrive of the systemd virus
for last, if we have more browser options to use,at least Tor (FreeBSD native port,not Linux emulation)..but we have only 2 giants (and this is not the missing native ports of another web browsers for fbsd),by the way I got no complains of this
but the web seems dominated by this to giants
Sorry..I started watching Mr.Robot (I'am in the 4 season)

A couple of librewolf screenshots. Version 146.0-2, the current package version. It's not bad. I think waterfox is more complete and sophisticated. I was able to install ublock origin, it appears to be working.
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Well, it seems to work ok here. Looks like another option.

So what's next, AirCoyote?

after 30 minutes of use I find it well..It cames with ublock origin instaled by default , feel it more clean, the only change I had to make was set "remember cookies and passwords" setting
 
Well, in their defense, we will be able to read the code and judge how much the Kill Switch actually does.
I agree, but how many lines of code? If it's anything like Google's code, it's going to hurt someone's head trying to understand it.
Or "feed it through AI which has been taught to recognize other AI and not do anything" :)
 
"Crash" means what? Any messages on the terminal? Or in `dmesg`?
the browser just close when enter a website, I dont remember the console message
the build options is no changed,all default
but with the binary give in their site there is no problems
I dont try it in 15-RELEASE ,now I'am using librewolf and is fine..
 
I don't think it was this community alone, but we shall not let get that little detail in the way of celebrations.

And let's see how long that switch will work as advertised and when it will have a clause that you volunteer all your data you input into the browser for training.
You gotta admit, this would've never happened with Google's Chrome. Chrome will do whatever they (and the corporation) will want to do.
 
The problem is not that they are going to implement some llm in Firefox (which is already bad enough for me), the link from cracauer@ with the CEO's words is "...will evolve into a modern AI browser...". If Firefox starts developing that way, you will be able to disable options and such, but it will be optimized for using llm. It is tough to start fighting against future design. When GNU/Linux started shifting to systemd, I also wanted to think that simply not using it would be enough, but distributions and applications start adapting to having systemd, and if you do not use it, start having problems that you have to figure out how to solve. When software introduces something into its core that you do not agree with, migrate before you start getting angry. And I have mentioned Seamonkey, and other users also mentioned Librewolf and Waterfox here, and we will see how things work out, because they depend on Firefox's code, and removing options is not the same as modifying the core.

Anyway, as other user also mentioned here, I hope Ladybird does well, and let is see if something comes along to replace Thunderbird (which will be officially separated from the Firefox team but uses the same base code, and if someone accepts llm in a web browser, why would not they accept it in their email and calendar?).
 
ESR has to remain clean for enterprise, right? Or do Chrome and Edge Business do things there too?

Edge has policy documents and hundreds of individual flags (I found a few :p) that apply to both enterprise and consumer versions, so they likely have various AI killswitches already. Google Chrome's use in enterprise seems serious enough that Google wouldn't mess-around there (have to be competitive with Edge).
 
I hear it's being made by a madman.
I have a strict rule to not use software made by madmen. It never leads anywhere good, even if the initial direction looked promising.
That is correct.
Well i googled it, problem solved.
What exactly are you talking about? His former addiction? "Former" is the keyword here. If anything, it shows his resilience and strength of character.
From what I've gleaned by listening to interviews with him and to his own content, he also seems smart and competent.
There has been an unfortunate event where one of these unsavory individuals accused him of supporting slavery because he insisted on using legacy technical terms such as master/slave... And they started a campaign of denigration against him... And soon he was being accused of running a ring of you-know-what.
Am I missing something here?
 
Why don't those who wait for Ladybird just help NetSurf out for the time being? It's already there, it's mature, it does not have any known madmen in its team - and it is much more portable than Ladybird.
I was very interested in NetSurf... like a decade ago. It sounded promising for a while. But this isn't the late 90s/early 2000s with its text-wall websites and flashy gifs static content. Not supporting modern standards nowadays means a completely broken web. Plain and simple. Ladybird seems to support more after, what, five years of development, than Netsurf after almost two decades. Supporting modern standards never seemed to rank very high on their bucket list.
 
Cant wait for Ladybird to get released.
I hope Ladybird does well
Ladybird is rapidly evolving and the FreeBSD port isn't catching up. It has no maintainer and hasn't been updated in more than a year.
The former maintainer said this before throwing in the towel:
Much has changed upstream since I did the initial port. The project now depends on various complicated components like angle and skia that all need to be ported (skia in particular must be the exact right version it seems).
This unfortunately doesn't bode well for the future of Ladybird on FreeBSD.
 
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