Firefox to go full AI with new CEO

[LoganGreystone]

How crazy is it to replace Firefox and Thunderbird with SeaMonkey? It was removed from the FreeBSD repositories in 2019 due to security issues and I think they are still there, but it is not following the Firefox path. Besides replacing Thunderbird, it also has a WYSIWYG web editor, which is not very common these days. And some websites will definitely cause problems because it is not a mainstream web browser and they are not optimized for it, but if a website does not allow me to log in, I can usually find an alternative.

Yes, I would have to compile it myself, even though it is not an official port. But if I have to choose between that and having Kit pop up when I open Firefox and say: "It looks like you're trying to browse the internet. Can I help you?", I prefer SeaMonkey with his flaws and all.

 

[kent_dorfman766]

I guess the time is getting closer to me needing to do a cleanroom build of chromium, modding it to filter out the "features" I don't want. G-bye Moz!

 

[Jose]

How crazy is it to replace Firefox and Thunderbird with SeaMonkey?

There was an unofficial port, but no more:

Post in thread 'Disaster strikes - SeaMonkey removed from ports tree'

Jan 9, 2024

jmos Are you ceasing the maintenance of your unofficial SeaMonkey ports?

I've dropped all my public fun projects (were far too many). As of SeaMonkey: Doesn't compile on FreeBSD 14 [¹], and it's out of my capability to solve that. And unfortunately more and more websites simply saying "use another browser" - nothing more. And I myself am really missing two CSS properties: "gap" on gridded layouts and "aspect-ratio"; Those two makes it unusable for my daily work…

[¹] But the latest 2.53.18 compiles on FreeBSD 13.2, and that binary also works on FreeBSD 14.

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It reportedly works under Linux emulation.

 

[Phishfry]

Concerning to me is the recent addition of AI Slop right on main StartPage.Com. They need to stop. They do not need to copy bad behavior.

 

[drhowarddrfine]

I guess the time is getting closer to me needing to do a cleanroom build of chromium

Four weeks later, kent_dorfman766 reporting the build stopped on an error and he needs to restart.

 

[Espionage724]

Concerning to me is the recent addition of AI Slop right on main StartPage.Com. They need to stop. They do not need to copy bad behavior.

I switched to StartPage briefly a few weeks ago before they threw a captcha at me (Google does it rarely but I wouldn't expect an alternative to do it so quickly)

 

[wolffnx]

I'am trying to go away from google empire(yes..use android..) , I'am betteen protonmail and zoho mail, but the browser is a hard choice,
palemoon compiles just fine in FreeBSD but when open pages it crash, but the binaries from palemoon site not crash
what we got guys?
the universe is divided in chromiun or firefox,what recomend?

 

[cracauer@]

palemoon compiles just fine in FreeBSD but when open pages it crash, but the binaries from palemoon site not crash
what we got guys?

"Crash" means what? Any messages on the terminal? Or in `dmesg`?

 

[Jose]

palemoon compiles just fine in FreeBSD but when open pages it crash, but the binaries from palemoon site not crash
what we got guys?

Not a fan of Palemoon:

Pale Moon Official Branding Violation – Issue #86 – Jasperla/openbsd-wip | Hacker News

news.ycombinator.com

the universe is divided in chromiun or firefox,what recomend?

Palemoon is a Firefox fork, no? Try a different fork like Waterfox. Or ungoogled-chromium. I don't run the latter cause I build my own packages and its build time is frankly ridiculous.

 

[Espionage724]

the universe is divided in chromiun or firefox,what recomend?

Firefox as long as Chromium auto-runs something like this from a codebox (double-click -> paste into Terminal; probably shouldn't be root )

rm -rf /*

How has that not been a glaring security issue with Chromium browsers for years?

 

[blackbird9]

I've been using "Nightly" / waterfox on freebsd for the last few days, it seems to be working pretty well. No crashes or hangs, all sites I've looked at display as normal. It looks pretty good as a FF alternative, and no AI. Ublock origin and noscript both appear to work fine (the firefox versions). I've got something like 15 tabs open and its all good. Youtube videos play as normal, ditto the whatsapp web client. It's definitely worth a try. The port is called 'waterfox' so 'pkg install waterfox'. But when you run it it it comes up as 'Nightly', which is slightly confusing if you're used to using it on linux where it's called 'waterfox', eg

Overall I'm quite impressed though, its working pretty well. It's worth giving it a go. Well done to the port maintainer, nice job.

Kind of sad about seamonkey but I think they got to a place where some sites wouldn't display right in the browser if I remember from the last time I tried using it, I seem to remember having problems and giving up on it.

 

[drhowarddrfine]

Why does it seem like everyone is in a panic?

 

[cracauer@]

Why does it seem like everyone is in a panic?

Browser choices are few. One of the main ones being ruined is a big deal.

 

[mer]

Why does it seem like everyone is in a panic?

Without Panic there is no Traction

Me personally, I'm not panicing because how long does it take upstream to make it to ports?
Also, I've always thought a browser should just render, but it seems like the rest of the interwebs disagrees. So I like hearing about/discovering new browsers.
Forking FF before the AI comes in? Maybe smart; it's always easier to keep weight off than it is to take it off.

 

[blackbird9]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR0lOtdvqyg

 

[blackbird9]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB8XDk3sQBc