Firefox to go full AI with new CEO

cracauer@ you did omit this for purpose, which is not ok and is not fun:

  • First: Every product we build must give people agency in how it works. Privacy, data use, and AI must be clear and understandable. Controls must be simple. AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn off. People should know why a feature works the way it does and what value they get from it.
 
POSIX.1 said:
cracauer@ you did omit this for purpose, which is not ok and is not fun:

  • First: Every product we build must give people agency in how it works. Privacy, data use, and AI must be clear and understandable. Controls must be simple. AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn off. People should know why a feature works the way it does and what value they get from it.
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These switches appear with the beginning of controversial changes and then disappear over time.
 
kpedersen said:
I'm not sure we have a choice. Sure, in open-source, they don't have corporate logos to hide behind. The rest do.
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Who defines "mad"? Some would consider Mozart "mad" but hard to deny his music.
I've seen stuff that basically says "all engineers are on the spectrum" simply because of typical engineer habits. (Stereotype of the "mad genius")
Perhaps everyone is on the "mad" spectrum.

But for me there is a difference between mad and evil. The implied examples in this thread to me are more evil than just mad.

Just my opinions
 
POSIX.1 said:
fmc000 that is acting bad, as a cite cannot be "fixed". Although you are free to add your opinion. That makes a difference.
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Do you know the word irony ?

you-can-do-it.jpg
 
cracauer@ said:
I dunno. I have a strict rule to not use software made by madmen. It never leads anywhere good, even if the initial direction looked promising.
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I also have this rule and that's why I'm proud of having removed the last bit of Reiserfs from FreeBSD. But in the case of Ladybird I think the person in question has been the target of character assassination and we should avoid perpetuating it.

Wrt Firefox, I think the whole thing it's being blown out of proportion. It's all doom & gloom these days for clicks.
 
cracauer@ said:
These switches appear with the beginning of controversial changes and then disappear over time.
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Yes, Mozilla has been doing this for years.

Also the bundled in google telemetry/spyware/whatever you want to call it, has always been opt out, but without any UI elements to enable/disable (about:config only) and it's likely this will be no different.

This "AI" direction was announced a few years ago. I remember being not at all surprised - and I'm sure google are happy enough so long as Mozilla don't place any emphasis on developing a credible alternative to their chromium monoculture. So long as Mozilla do that, google will continue to throw money at it and Mozilla will continue down the same path as with the previous CEO...
 
blackhole said:
This "AI" direction was announced a few years ago. I remember being not at all surprised - and I'm sure google are happy enough so long as Mozilla don't place any emphasis on developing a credible alternative to their chromium monoculture. So long as Mozilla do that, google will continue to throw money at it and Mozilla will continue down the same path as with the previous CEO...
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I dunno. From what I see here the new CEO is even worse at corpspeak than the previous one.
 
cracauer@ said:
Waterfox has an answer to that blog post:

www.waterfox.com

No AI* Here - A Response to Mozilla's Next Chapter - Waterfox Blog

Mozilla's pivot to AI first browsing raises fundamental questions about what a browser should be.
www.waterfox.com www.waterfox.com
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Indeed I just switched last night to it a very painless process of firing up Waterfox logging into my Firefox account to sync all my settings and away I have went with it. Just minutes ago I created a .desktop file for it to have it in my menu for easier launching. Kind of sad about it really going on twenty eight years of use when I checked the date of the fork from the Netscape code that became Firefox eventually, that is when I first started to use it and stuck with it all that time. But enough is enough with them clowns at Mozilla my frustration has been building for a number of years now with them and that was the straw that broke the camels back as they say.
 
Thanks for everyone that mentioned Waterfox. It's hard to keep track of all the different forks of everything.
My experience seems to match what everyone else had said: data import works fine, tweak a few settings. The blog post cracauer@ posted was an interesting read and I don't disagree with it.
Embed the AI everywhere in the browser, give a knob to disable it, and the user is just supposed to trust that it's disabled?
 
The Waterfox project seems to have an interesting set of values and features. I have added it to my Poudriere compiler machine and will test it one of these days.
 
Micski said:
The Waterfox project seems to have an interesting set of values
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Perhaps. I believe they are sponsored by microsoft, the default search engine used to be Bing, perhaps it sill is. Nonetheless... telemetry removal has got to be good. Along with no bloody AI!
I've used waterfox on linux for a few years now, its usually pretty stable. Recently started using it on freebsd, I was confused by the fact that it's called 'Nightly' on freebsd, although the port name is 'waterfox', I'm not sure where the 'nightly' comes from!
 
I am using Waterfox about one month 90% and 10% Firefox with arkenfox user.js still. I did like luakit but the problem was with not updated webkit and Qutebrowser was my favorite one to but than I stopped to us it.
 
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