Excitement and opportunity for the future of FBSD

[hasbeen]

A regular desktop is so easy. There actually should be a document with a democratically decided sequence of installation commands leading to a full FreeBSD graphical desktop.
I use a bald X.org with openbox and xterm only. No need for anything else in my standard installation. Forever resident programs are needed for barely anything.

My regular (bald boomer's) X desktop world that takes about 10 mins to install with some apps and toys in
Xfce DE

pkg install xfce (DE)
pkg install tilda (Yet another fancy xterm implementation)
pkg install xpdf4 (Simple PDF reader)
pkg install xviewer (Simple image viewer)
pkg install en-hunspell (English spellchecker)
pkg install gotop (Neat top)
pkg install fastfetch (Pretty sys info)
pkg install ufetch (Tiny sys info)
pkg install waterfox (web browser)
pkg install gimp (Image editor)
pkg install vlc (Multimedia player)
pkg install mplayer (Multimedia player)
pkg install kdenlive (Video Editor)
pkg install simplescreenrecorder (Records video/audio of webcam or GUI desktop)

 

[LibreQuest]

My regular (bald boomer's) X desktop world that takes about 10 mins to install with some apps and toys in
Xfce DE

pkg install xfce (DE)
pkg install tilda (Yet another fancy xterm implementation)
pkg install xpdf4 (Simple PDF reader)
pkg install xviewer (Simple image viewer)
pkg install en-hunspell (English spellchecker)
pkg install gotop (Neat top)
pkg install fastfetch (Pretty sys info)
pkg install ufetch (Tiny sys info)
pkg install waterfox (web browser)
pkg install gimp (Image editor)
pkg install vlc (Multimedia player)
pkg install mplayer (Multimedia player)
pkg install kdenlive (Video Editor)
pkg install simplescreenrecorder (Records video/audio of webcam or GUI desktop)

Do you actually do them one at a time like this? I usually just do pkg install item item item item etc on a new install.

 

[hasbeen]

Do you actually do them one at a time like this? I usually just do pkg install item item item item etc on a new install.

Just a list with basic info. Tho, you can C&P to your "pkg install app1 app1 app1" if you like

 

[drhowarddrfine]

Do you actually do them one at a time like this? I usually just do pkg install item item item item etc on a new install.

I do cause I don't want to get stuck with one of them failing for some reason and I have to backtrack for some reason. Habit from decades past when it could be a house of cards collapsing onto itself. I only want to deal with one thing at a time.

 

[drhowarddrfine]

Of course there's no little man in a back room somewhere watching your every move...They do however, spy on people they deem to be a threat to their power, control.

So there is a little man in a backroom?

I "fight back", and other violent terms, by writing or calling my political representative and voting for or against them if they don't see my way. That's how it's supposed to work in my country but people think standing on street corners and yelling at people is more effective. No it's not.

But this has turned political and I won't reply further to this.

 

[kpedersen]

Of course there's no little man in a back room somewhere watching your every move, because you don't concern yourself with fighting the system.

The little man may not be human flesh but it is highly likely watching and recording individual sessions (for future processing once this generation of encryption is broken).

But, lets say embedded youtube is loading on your machine (or you even click the link). What data is it getting from you? If you are doing things correctly, everything should be noise. Because "silence" is actually more useful for mining than random noise.

• Your IP? Should be tor exit node
• Your user agent? Should be spoofed
• Your OS? Should be an isolated Jail (preferably VM)
• Your cookies? Should be wiped / scrambled per tab

What data could they possibly extract from you? Instead you should be feeding them crap. I.e your cookies should be enabled and filled with random noise. Hiding from snooping is a losing battle as soon as you connect your network to the internet and consume services.

Heck, maybe you should go on Youtube right now and watch a random video on tree frogs. That can only add doubt and less value to the profile it already has on you (privacy, tech nerd).

 

[Hello]

So there is a little man in a backroom?

Of course I didn't mean it literally, as I assumed you used it as a metaphor to describe the intelligence community, but I guess not.

I "fight back", and other violent terms, by writing or calling my political representative and voting for or against them if they don't see my way. That's how it's supposed to work in my country but people think standing on street corners and yelling at people is more effective. No it's not.

I never indicated that fighting back should be violent. Neither did I portray my views by "standing in a freebsd event/meetup and yelling at people". You say that you "fight back" by writing to your political representative, and that is exactly what I did, this is a thread about future of freebsd, and I simply stated my wish by writing here, I did not become violent or yelled at anyone.

 

[Hello]

Because "silence" is actually more useful for mining than random noise.

I disagree. Can you please explain how this is the case?

• Your IP? Should be tor exit node
• Your user agent? Should be spoofed
• Your OS? Should be an isolated Jail (preferably VM)
• Your cookies? Should be wiped / scrambled per tab

IP should be p2p preferably, and not some onion relay proxy. And these methods require work, time, resources, not just by users, but also the developers and community involved, which they can spend doing something more productive. Not to mention the knowledge that is not possessed by most of the population. Privacy should not be a privilege for a select few minority that understand technology and intelligence, but everyone deserves it. Why should I resist the system when there is an option to move away from such toxic system? Why should I give away convenience where I don't have to?

Instead you should be feeding them crap. I.e your cookies should be enabled and filled with random noise.

Why should I feed them anything and get involved with them when I don't have to?

Hiding from snooping is a losing battle as soon as you connect your network to the internet and consume services.

If it is a losing battle, why did you mention all the ways my ip, os, user agent and cookies should be tor exit node, jailed, spoofed and wiped? It is only a losing battle if we don't encourage to move away from them to better alternatives. Private internet and services exists, and using them is the only way to not "lose the battle".

Heck, maybe you should go on Youtube right now and watch a random video on tree frogs. That can only add doubt and less value to the profile it already has on you (privacy, tech nerd).

I thought you considered a losing battle, why would suggest that? And I wouldn't do that because I don't have a profile to begin with. And I don't fight the system by engaging with the toxic players, but engaging with like minded technologies instead.

That is the only reason I use FOSS unix/linux like systems, and not windows/mac. Maybe every time you use outlook or gmail to send or receive an email, you should also write garbage email about "tree frogs" to random adresses to create "random noise". But I wont do that because I don't use outlook or gmail.

Since you say that we should all spoof everything anyway, why shouldn't we move this forum to google user group, and save so much money and administrative and infrastructure time and resources?

 

[kpedersen]

I disagree. Can you please explain how this is the case?

Sure. Silence is a response. If I refuse to vote for i.e a local MP, it is a measurable value that "I am not fond of any specific (likely criminal) candidate". If I vote for a random candidate, it just adds to the noise. If next election I vote for another random candidate, it is more noise, it gives them no additional knowledge that the selection of candidates are inappropriate.

Depending on what you are trying to demonstrate, this data is important. No-one cares about the tuna tin eating weirdo in his bunker, wearing a tin foil hat. Likewise, no-one cares about the idiot that votes for different candidates every election. And this is the persona you want to emit.

Not to mention the knowledge that is not possessed by most of the population.

Don't care. Not our problem.

Privacy should not be a privilege for a select few minority that understand technology and intelligence

Don't care. Not our problem.

Why should I resist the system when there is an option to move away from such toxic system? Why should I give away convenience where I don't have to?

You don't have a choice. Not in our lifespan.

Maybe every time you use outlook or gmail to send or receive an email, you should also write garbage email about "tree frogs" to random adresses to create "random noise". But I wont do that because I don't use outlook or gmail.

Self host email for important stuff. Hide in noise for everything else.

Since you say that we should all spoof everything anyway, why shouldn't we move this forum to google user group, and save so much money and administrative and infrastructure time and resources?

Everything we put on this forum is fine for everyone to see. Thats the point of a public forum. Google user-groups just have inferior usability. I imagine someone is welcome to mirror it though if they are particularly passionate about google user-groups.

 

[Espionage724]

Privacy should not be a privilege for a select few minority that understand technology and intelligence, but everyone deserves it. Why should I resist the system when there is an option to move away from such toxic system? Why should I give away convenience where I don't have to?

People can self-host decentralized empires, but choose Facebook and NextCloud in Docker

 

[AlfredoLlaquet]

I wonder when the scary admin will appear out of the shadows and send this thread to off-topic.