Do you like minimalism ? ;)

sk8harddiefast said:
I think transmission-daemon is better than vuze!!!
Is really hardcore to download every video you want to see on youtube with youtube-dl and watch it with mplayer.The only reason i use youtube-dl is to download videos and convert them to mp3 with ffmpeg :)
There is also frostwire but youtube-dl is safer because i know exactly what i am downloading!

That means i can see a video with mplayer without X?
Port details say this:
Code: 
AA-lib is a low-level graphics library similar to many other libraries
except for the fact that AA-lib does not require a graphics device!  In
fact, no "graphical" output is possible.  AA-lib uses a modern, high-tech
ascii-art renderer in place of outmoded and cumbersome graphical output.
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I use multimedia/cclive
 
i agree with you but is a desktop computer.for thunar the solution is mc.Ok.
But i cannot use links for browser!my eyes will be one step before sickness if i use only links!!!I have tried to use only this but only google something on links is a torture!
 
My minimalistic tastes have me leaning mostly to textmode programs:

Window manager: x11-wm/musca
Terminal emulator: x11/roxterm
Text editor: editors/vim (no GUI)
File manager: misc/vifm
Music: audio/mpg123 and/or audio/mcplay
Web browser: www/elinks or www/midori
RSS Feed Aggregator: news/rawdog
Image viewer: graphics/mirage
Video downloader: multimedia/cclive
Debugger: devel/cgdb
PIM: deskutils/osmo

I try to steer clear of full-on Gnome or KDE stuff, but do use several gtk2 apps. I have a few Qt apps installed, but almost never use them; someday I'll get around to removing them so I'll have only one GUI toolkit on my machine.

I tried several terminal emulators before settling on roxterm. I forget why. (256-color support?) I know there are lighter terminal emulators out there, but this one works OK for me.

I created and/or maintain some of the ports listed above. ;)

P.S.,
Thanks killasmurf86, for suggesting mksh. I've been meaning to dump bash, and you've prompted me to do it now rather than later. That will be one less pile of GNUish cruft on my machine!
 
I find minimalism usually breaks with the file manager.

Thunar pulls in most of xfce and PCManFM still requires a lot of deps.

I am recoding one in Motif (as part of the OpenCDE project) but even motif isn't really classed as minimal.

So yeah, I think xterm and normal console commands / console file manager are best (most minimal) solutions in that respect.
 
cclive is terminal video downloader?
I think minimalist always break with browser!You can make your job only from terminal to copy,move,extract etc files but you cannot live without a gui browser!
Thunar i think is not the best solution but still better from nautilus or other window managers with really a lot of dependencies!!!
I dont believe that there are a lot of people in the world that are 100% minimalistic and use only terminal!!!!You sould be a real freak or one the best in computing world!!!!
For file manager ok.For music ok.But you cannot write an iso on a dvd from terminal!!!you sould destroy 10000 cd's to learn you to do it!
Or i cannot imagine a guy that he creates a movie without kdenlive (example) and do it only from terminal!!!!!Or use blender from console to create a building!!!!!Some things really need gui!!!For example i use skype.Skype is a gui tool.I dont think that i could use skype without Xserver!In fact i dont think there is such option!!!!
Any terminal viewer to open images???
 
Window manager: ion3 (probably will go xmonad)
File management: zsh :) It's very useful and handy with completion stuff, dirpath, etc.
Editor: vim, it doesn't require really long fingers like emacs does, and it is very cool.
terminal: rxvt-unicode - light, with urxvtd + urxvtc bunch it starts in a moment, it has full unicode support, etc.
chat: gajim/weechat - first is less minimalist than mcabber is, but as for me using mcabber is masochism. weechat.. well, it just rocks, still i don't use lots of it's features.
browser: vimperator - vim + firefox = love for ages
multimedia: mocp (probably will change to cmus, like it); mplayer
e-mail: mutt, it's the only one client that is not thunderbird, does not require knowledge of emacs magic and is still light (independant of gnome, kde and so on) and usable.
image-viewer: feh
also, for console when i really had to use framebuffer i've used links -g to view images. And there is a viewer called zvg.

edit: as for op-question, visually i like kde much more. But well who cares of visual things when such a 'minimalism' works better and is much more usable.
 
sk8harddiefast said:
cclive is terminal video downloader?
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Yes

sk8harddiefast said:
I think minimalist always break with browser!You can make your job only from terminal to copy,move,extract etc files but you cannot live without a gui browser!
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Agreed. I try to use elinks when I can, because it usually handles page layout better than the other textmode browsers. But somehow I always end up using midori instead.

sk8harddiefast said:
Thunar i think is not the best solution but still better from nautilus or other window managers with really a lot of dependencies!!!
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I'm a vifm fanatic. Lighterweight than Midnight Commander. No built-in editor and stuff like that, but who needs it? Vifm has an excellent, vi-like interface for launching external programs to do things with the selected files. I use its custom command feature a lot.

Being a textmode app, vifm also doesn't give me any cute thumbnail images. As far as I can tell, that's the only "advantage" to using a GUI file manager like thunar.

mcplay provides a similar vi-like frontend to mpg123, ogg123 or sox. I don't like apps that "organize" my music files for me, that's what the filesystem is for. I also don't need to see the album cover, lyrics or anything like that when I'm listening to tunes. In fact, I'm usually working on a different screen than the one the music player is on. Sound is for the ears, not the eyes!

I suppose I could forego the full-screen interface and use the shell instead of vifm and mcplay to access my files. But I'm not that hardcore.
 
sk8harddiefast said:
For example i use skype.Skype is a gui tool.I dont think that i could use skype without Xserver!
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Well, switch to linphonec. You won't need an X server for that.

And uhmm, using links/lynx as your main web browser for daily usage is just plain masochistic.
 
sk8harddiefast said:
But you cannot write an iso on a dvd from terminal!!!you sould destroy 10000 cd's to learn you to do it!
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I beg to differ. No DVDs (since I have no DVD drive :)) but CDs, and I only have one coaster and it's not even mine.


nekoexmachina said:
multimedia: mocp (probably will change to cmus, like it); mplayer
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mocp is good, especially the ability to daemonize! I wish mplayer could do that too.


ckester said:
I try to use elinks when I can, because it usually handles page layout better than the other textmode browsers.
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Totally agree. And it's one of the most usable textmode browsers.
 
nekoexmachina said:
Editor: vim, it doesn't require really long fingers like emacs does, and it is very cool.
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But do you use vi-keybindings in zsh? The default ones are equal to emacs in every shell that I used (ash, bash, zsh, ksh).
 
But do you use vi-keybindings in zsh?
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No. Of all shell-keybindings i use only ^A-^E, and that are usable for me. As for m-x c-x somecommand, i find it completely unusable and too complicated.
May be i do not know the full emacs power, but well, now i don't even want to know it, as every tryout for emacs ended for me as 'WTF am i doink it's way to hardcore for me'.
 
sixtydoses said:
And uhmm, using links/lynx as your main web browser for daily usage is just plain masochistic.
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When I want your opinion I'll let you beat it out of me ;)

But seriously, when I first started using linux &/or FreeBSD, I couldn't get X to work, so I got pretty good at figuring out how to make text-based applications work for me. Of course, back in 1999 or so, besides frames, websites were mostly pretty simple in layout and www/lynx worked fine. Now-a-days with all the gooble-d-gook lynx (& less-so links) is pretty limited, though it works great for reading news sites that want to load billions and billions of ads and jumping gifs and poop-ups and other such non-sense.
 
links is still the best text-browser for me but not for use it everyday for everything! He helped me a lot of times on console (for download dwm source) etc but i just cannot use it for everything! My eyes hurting me!
Also the most simple & easy calc is.....python! :)
 
fronclynne said:
When I want your opinion I'll let you beat it out of me ;)

But seriously, when I first started using linux &/or FreeBSD, I couldn't get X to work, so I got pretty good at figuring out how to make text-based applications work for me. Of course, back in 1999 or so, besides frames, websites were mostly pretty simple in layout and www/lynx worked fine. Now-a-days with all the gooble-d-gook lynx (& less-so links) is pretty limited, though it works great for reading news sites that want to load billions and billions of ads and jumping gifs and poop-ups and other such non-sense.
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Ya ain't gonna like it unless you're a sadist ;)

I use www/lynx when I couldn't get X to work. Or at rare times when am just bored at work but I need to look busy at the same time (apparently most people think am doing my work whenever I'm fiddling with terminal. Or at least, read the man pages).
 
I will be honest here. I tried minimalism before, but I usually end up installing a whole horde of stuff that requires both GTK and Qt (and sometimes Gnome and KDE dependencies). I then thought, why not go the whole hog?

I do so many stuff that requires graphics, including drawing comics. It makes no sense to keep to minimal install without any GUI stuff or minimal GUI tools.

Hard disk space is cheap these days. I feel no harm in installing stuff I use regularly. Yes, I avoid too many dependencies, but when you want features, you accept a little bit of bloat.

I have moved away from KDE though and use Gnome almost exclusively these days. Gnome, I guess can be classed as light enough compared to KDE or even the Windows GUI.
 
jailed said:
(windowmaker + urxvt + vim-lite + mpg123 + firefox) rockz
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I prefer vim to vim-lite.
All you need to do is add WITHOUT_X11 to make.conf and vim will be built without GUI, but it still have support for clipboard :D, which is defiantly good thing to have.

Another good tool, that I forgot to mention is x11/xclip, it's really handy.


About the disk space usage, It's not what makes me want to be minimalist (like the one that I am now), What I want to avoid is to start gazillion apps and daemons, for my desktop.
Currently, when I start my desktop I have only about 7-12 apps running.
I like seeing end of $ top (which is impossible if you use KDE)

Yes I install GTK and QT, because some apps needs it as dependency, and I even prefer QT|GTK to tk/tcl, but I don't think that this alone fact can is what make my desktop non-lightweight. In terms of speed it just flies like a rocket
 
killasmurf86 said:
I prefer vim to vim-lite.
All you need to do is add WITHOUT_X11 to make.conf and vim will be built without GUI, but it still have support for clipboard :D, which is defiantly good thing to have.
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What do you mean for clipboard with vim & vim-lite? If it solves the newline issue when set numbers on, I'm a stupid :D and you're a genius. What's the exact difference?
 
harishankar said:
I do so many stuff that requires graphics, including drawing comics. It makes no sense to keep to minimal install without any GUI stuff or minimal GUI tools.

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I have moved away from KDE though and use Gnome almost exclusively these days. Gnome, I guess can be classed as light enough compared to KDE or even the Windows GUI.
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I disagree, it makes perfect sense. Even if some applications require GNOME dependencies, it's not necessary to actually have GNOME as your desktop environment and run its heavyweight and cycle hungry eye candy tools, just to use Inkscape or GIMP or Blender. I occasionally use these applications and I still keep the graphical "backend" (the WM) as lightweight as possible and only run the bare minimum for all other applications.
 
Beastie said:
I disagree, it makes perfect sense. Even if some applications require GNOME dependencies, it's not necessary to actually have GNOME as your desktop environment and run its heavyweight and cycle hungry eye candy tools, just to use Inkscape or GIMP or Blender. I occasionally use these applications and I still keep the graphical "backend" (the WM) as lightweight as possible and only run the bare minimum for all other applications.
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Well Gnome still provides additional facilities like integrated ACPI power management, nice(r) anti-aliased fonts, session management, screensavers, convenient menus, notifications, auto-mounting of removable devices through HAL, desktop icons and so on. Besides since I use so many Gnome/GTK programs I prefer to run Gnome directly. Like I said, I could probably work from a minimal desktop, but why bother? I have the disk space and pulling in Gnome actually takes care of a lot of dependencies for applications that I later install.

Having said that, I think Xfce is a great compromise as well. Lighter than Gnome, reasonably featureful.

My favourite WindowManager is fluxbox though. fluxbox or fvwm2.
 
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