Berkeley math prof gives up on marking homework.

GlitchyDot said:
In my years of school - calculator was forbidden. We had no internet so to know highest mountain, deepest lake, shortest river etc - was learnt at school or trough some books and not trough internet.
In my opinion: current education is made to dumb people down , including what to hate, what to cherish and what to ignore. AI is another tool as if you use AI and wont do any research just blindly believe in it - world will be Idiocracy sooner when we thought.
Research usually brings attention and some memories.
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You ask AI stupid question, you get more stupid answers ... Its about meta now, i mean reason about the reason. (not the company)
 
drhowarddrfine said:
According to reddit, everyone who disagrees with anyone is a fascist. The discussion of what is fascist is everywhere and everyone's a fascist. Now it's found it's way here.

Is it time for me to move on? I always thought political commentary was off topic here. Or at least I thought the members would avoid such topics for the sake of social discretion.

Far too often political commentary has found its way here and I'm uncomfortable and sometimes offended.
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As long as we know when to bite our tongue its ok. Daniel, in your basket !
 
Alain De Vos said:
As long as we know when to bite our tongue its ok. Daniel, in your basket !
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We are system analyzers. If we see an error, we should call it out. FreeBSD or homo sapiensystem.
I am no OpenAI chatbot to follow reddit guardrails and let people believe dangerous nonsense.
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Alain De Vos said:
We all know , a broken system can never be fixed from intern...
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It is not about fixing. It is about knowing the dangers.
I sincerely have to agree with my main source of solutions, Mr. R. A. Heinlein, that the only option or quasi solution is to keep moving....to the stars if need be.
"When a place starts to require ID, it is time to move on."
Enshitification is inherent to all systems and the one which might be stable enough is very improbable to happen.
 
We don't concern ourselves with the early efforts of chimpanzees and dolphins to learn how to use tools; they are mere curiosities to us. Similarly, these arguments about humans may become irrelevent in the relatively near future. When the machines eliminate the requirement for humans to program the next version of AI, and start to program themselves; at that point, machine intelligence enters an exponentially rising curve. At some later stage, AI will take over chip design and manufacturing, resulting in generations of processors and computer hardware that are incomprehensible to humans. As someone said, it doesn't have to become 'conscious'; intelligence alone may be enough. https://www.wired.com/2000/04/joy-2/ . The 'singularity' may turn out to be not much fun for the humans.

I don't think anyone knows what the outcome will be; this has never happened before in human history. Kurzweil hopes that we ourselves will get an upgrade by 'merging' with AI, perhaps that is the most optimistic scenario. https://aiforgood.itu.int/ray-kurzw...-not-be-replaced-by-ai-we-will-merge-with-it/ . Or perhaps the 'upgraded' humans may end up being like the cyber-men; "you will become like us."

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQs3gVobcfg

Perhaps we are approaching the "great filter" of the fermi paradox. Perhaps the UFO's, if any of them are indeed real, are alien AI's, awaiting the birth, of another of their species.
 
The discussion in this thread has reached the stage where all of the heroes present are in disarray, arguing amongst themselves, as the ring exerts its malign influence over them. Before the ring-bearer steps forward, and volunteers to take it into Mordor, to destroy it.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu8mMIkbHCo

The problem is, I see few ring bearers in this real world. But, as Flann O'Brien would say, if a stone is cast, there is no fortelling of where it may land...
 
blackbird9 said:
We don't concern ourselves with the early efforts of chimpanzees and dolphins to learn how to use tools; they are mere curiosities to us. Similarly, these arguments about humans may become irrelevent in the relatively near future. When the machines eliminate the requirement for humans to program the next version of AI, and start to program themselves; at that point, machine intelligence enters an exponentially rising curve. At some later stage, AI will take over chip design and manufacturing, resulting in generations of processors and computer hardware that are incomprehensible to humans. As someone said, it doesn't have to become 'conscious'; intelligence alone may be enough. https://www.wired.com/2000/04/joy-2/ . The 'singularity' may turn out to be not much fun for the humans.

I don't think anyone knows what the outcome will be; this has never happened before in human history. Kurzweil hopes that we ourselves will get an upgrade by 'merging' with AI, perhaps that is the most optimistic scenario. https://aiforgood.itu.int/ray-kurzw...-not-be-replaced-by-ai-we-will-merge-with-it/ . Or perhaps the 'upgraded' humans may end up being like the cyber-men; "you will become like us."

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQs3gVobcfg

Perhaps we are approaching the "great filter" of the fermi paradox. Perhaps the UFO's, if any of them are indeed real, are alien AI's, awaiting the birth, of another of their species.
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I listened to some founding fathers (not financiers) of LLM tech. They are fairly certain LLM branch of Ai is not and most likely will not result in anything intelligent.
[EDIT] Current setup/tech does not and will not work like More GPUs = More IQ....it is still a chatbot/approximation machine. Good for summaries and pattern finding - but not generative intelligence. Tomas Mikolov sees room for improvement in SW but that will only lead to more efficient inference and/or "learning" of models.

Sure, the rest (combination) of Ai stack self-learning/evolving neural networks have that potential. Most likely in combination with robotics i.e. real world feedback.

"My" hypothesis is:
The more intelligent something is, the more benevolent it will be.
a] We can observe that in humans and animals - aggressiveness goes down with IQ
b] If it is wrong we are screwed anyway, be it artificial or natural superman/ubermensch

With caveat : if we try to constrict fast evolving AI, we might keep it in the most dangerous phase - it is smarter than us but still dumb enough to be scared, i.e. not wise and benevolent to other beings.
 
blackbird9 said:
The discussion in this thread has reached the stage where all of the heroes present are in disarray, arguing amongst themselves, as the ring exerts its malign influence over them. Before the ring-bearer steps forward, and volunteers to take it into Mordor, to destroy it.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu8mMIkbHCo

The problem is, I see few ring bearers in this real world. But, as Flann O'Brien would say, if a stone is cast, there is no fortelling of where it may land...
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DanielBowman said:
If bloody fascists are the bearers of common sense (I doubt it, not my experience), then I will proudly enter their camp. No reason to be in clown tent, just because it has nicer label.
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I'm making no comments on your stances, but common sense is rarely common or sense. If you're claiming common sense and getting called a fascist, do some actually work to understand what you're talking about and why people are referring to it as fascist.
 
blackbird9 said:
hedwards and DanielBowman: please take it offline guys, this thread was about the impact of AI in education. Otherwise, I think our moderators are going to have to close the thread. Let's keep it civil and on-topic, we don't want to turn into reddit; we are better than that. Cheers.
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Leave me out of this. It was 2 quite civil posts in a sea of other posts. And now a third one.
Alain De Vos said:
Crivens & SirDice are cool. Just don't egagorate. Daniel,Hedwards ! :)
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What precisely did I do here? It was 2 short and civil posts, and now there's more posts than that trying to drag me into a flamewar.

Anyways, I'm done here.
 
blackbird9 said:
hedwards and DanielBowman: please take it offline guys, this thread was about the impact of AI in education. Otherwise, I think our moderators are going to have to close the thread. Cheers.
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Mea culpa.
Can't refuse a little education in thread about education, especially when called out.
Alas, I am sorry and ceasing to endanger your thread.
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I wonder what Jan Amos Komensky, Mr. Orbis Pictus, the OG reform educator, the teacher of nations (probably late 19th century Czech hubris here) would add to our discussion.
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Don’t limit a child to your own learning, for he was born in another time. — Rabindranath Tagore
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The elements of instruction... should be presented to the mind in childhood, but not with any compulsion. Knowledge which is acquired under compulsion has no hold on the mind. Therefore do not use compulsion, but let early education be rather a sort of amusement; this will better enable you to find out the natural bent of the child. — Plato, The Republic
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[from One World Schoolhouse]
 
Guys, i'm tired.

If the level of discourse is not improving, I'll handle things before coffee. You have been warned.
 
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