"AI" is it not the centralization of the internet?

astyle While I'm school, I had the local library obtain a book about Z80 computers and how to build them. It had a place easy to misunderstand, so I took a sharp pencil and carefully scribbled a note on the page, for the next reader. Long after university, I bought the book myself for sentimental reasons. The same page had the same remark, but that book had never been in a library. So someone else had done the same. Today, it's almost impossible to get.
 
after a chat ai forgets evrything.
But does it? I've read it adds that chat to its collection of "stuff" (ie it feeds on itself which looks like another problem to me given the quality of its chats).

In my opinion, A1 is rather like a first year intern who seems good enough to do a specific job when supervised. The problem with A1 compared with the intern is that A1 does not learn and so hardly qualifies as intelligent, artificially or otherwise.
 
Quantitative easing (QE) is a monetary policy where a central bank buys long-term government or other financial assets from the open market to inject money into the economy and lower interest rates. Central banks use QE to stimulate economic activity by providing more liquidity to the banking system
 
AI Agents can't even take drive-thru orders right.


When this bubble burst it is going to take the market with it.
I already started a thread about that:
Thread ais-next-challenge-social-engineering-hacks.98592/

Yeah, AI can't think critically. But frankly most people can't do that, either. So what do they do? offload critical thinking task on a computer?
 
The problem is greed. People cannot be replaced.

I was told at 18 not to go into the machinst trade because of CNC Machining centers. They will replace humans.

40 years later there are still plenty of "manual" machinists positions open.

How many wasted compute cycles does this AI non-sense consume from people who claim to value the environment.
 
Here is the part where they don't tell you the whole truth.

But despite some of the viral glitches facing Taco Bell, it says two million orders have been successfully processed using the voice AI since its introduction.

How many people jumped out of line and drove off? Where are those AI stats? They make it sound 100% perfect.

I encountered a voice bot at McDonalds Drive-Thru and drove off. Yet I prefer self-checkout shopping when available.
 
Here is the part where they don't tell you the whole truth.



How many people jumped out of line and drove off? Where are those AI stats? They make it sound 100% perfect.

I encountered a voice bot at McDonalds Drive-Thru and drove off. Yet I prefer self-checkout shopping when available.
Well, Taco Bell never considered people with thick accents... what they need is a QR code that someone can drive up, scan, and then order on the phone whatever's on the menu. The way I see it, it's just a matter of having your act together. I drive away if I see voice ordering.

I've seen my share of mom and pop shops that have a usable-looking web page to order stuff from, only to discover a few weeks later 'Oh, we didn't even know you placed an order!', simply because they failed to pay attention to the information being provided to them! Everything is lined up for those merchants, just get off your lazy ass, grab that package, and hand it off to the next system!

Recently, I needed to order groceries via Instacart (I normally don't do that) from a local grocery store (from a big national chain) that is a 5-minute bicycle ride away. It took those guys 6 hours to fulfill the order! And not for lack of IT infrastructure or ability to organize and automate the process - it was a matter of getting store staff to pay attention to the order coming in, in a timely fashion.

Can you teach AI to pay attention, the kind that is appropriate for the situation? Not really.
 
I needed to order groceries via Instacart (I normally don't do that) from a local grocery store (from a big national chain) that is a 5-minute bicycle ride away. It took those guys 6 hours to fulfill the order! And not for lack of IT infrastructure or ability to organize and automate the process - it was a matter of getting store staff to pay attention to the order coming in,
I don't know what it's like now but, a few years ago, Instacart orders were filled by the same drivers who delivered your groceries. That said, looking at the instacart people at my local store, things may have changed to some extent.

I've seen my share of mom and pop shops that have a usable-looking web page to order stuff from, only to discover a few weeks later 'Oh, we didn't even know you placed an order!',
The system at Subway, when that first got a central system, was a horrible mess. Daily reports were sent to a central system and updates were initiated by that. If anything screwed up, you could be down for hours with no one available to help. Of course, service was done by some outside company and calling Subway for help wouldn't get you anywhere.
 
I don't know what it's like now but, a few years ago, Instacart orders were filled by the same drivers who delivered your groceries. That said, looking at the instacart people at my local store, things may have changed to some extent.


The system at Subway, when that first got a central system, was a horrible mess. Daily reports were sent to a central system and updates were initiated by that. If anything screwed up, you could be down for hours with no one available to help. Of course, service was done by some outside company and calling Subway for help wouldn't get you anywhere.
'Growing Pains' is one way to describe the mess... I was kind of forced into using the system. When I first started, the lead times between ordering stuff and actually getting were so long that it actually made more sense to just ride over to the store and get the stuff myself using the old-fashioned, in-person way. I did complain in the right channels that it's taking forever. Nowadays the lead time is about an hour.

Man, most of the time, it's all about people in the system having the self-discipline to pay attention and having their act together. That alone gets 90-95% of my gripes about the system to go away and encourages me to be patient and give good reviews when merited. AI is not even really necessary in such cases. Just plain old-fashoined attention to simple directions, and to sources of information!

If one trains up a robot to properly do simple, limited tasks - what are we supposed to teach to the next generation of human beings? have sex and die like mayflies?
 
Recently, I needed to order groceries via Instacart (I normally don't do that) from a local grocery store (from a big national chain) that is a 5-minute bicycle ride away. It took those guys 6 hours to fulfill the order!
See I cannot fathom this. I need to smell my produce and touch my watermellons. Look at the bread and maybe squeeze it. Poke my porkchops.
No way would I ever let somebody shop for me.
Same for food delivery. I stopped ordering pizzas from chains 20 years ago. I only do Mom and Pop pies with no delivery.
Chain Restaurants are the worst (no offense Doc). Food exploiters like doordash even more so.
 
See I cannot fathom this. I need to smell my produce and touch my watermellons. Look at the bread and maybe squeeze it. Poke my porkchops.
No way would I ever let somebody shop for me.
Same for food delivery. I stopped ordering pizzas from chains 20 years ago. I only do Mom and Pop pies with no delivery.
Chain Restaurants are the worst (no offense Doc). Food exploiters like doordash even more so.
I have the same attitude, frankly. I need to see that the cucumbers are not soft and tired-ass. I need to inspect all 12 eggs in the carton to make sure they're not broken. It did take me some time to figure out acceptable options that I can ask the Instacart staff to pick for me. If I have to use the system, I gotta squeeze it for something actually useful to me. 👿
 
Exactly. I want the chocolate milk container without the smegg on it. Sloppy stockers razor cuts to plastic food bags are hard to see. I had put stuff at end of conveyor belt due to damage I missed.

Just look at how the grocery store experience has changed.

Kids used to bag groceries while the clerk would ring up items. Every item had a price sticker on it.
The baggers would also push your cart to car and even load them into your car. It was a tipped job for younger boys.
That was not that long ago.

Much like full service gasoline stations. Besides New Jersey nowhere else has them anymore that I know of. Not even full service fuel islands that were last to go.
Check your engine oil while you sit in the car. Wipe your windscreen. Now cars are reliable and women in business attire have to pump their own gas.

Where are these robots you speak of? Certainly not stocking shelves yet. Picking up yard debris for city trucks? Not yet.

I have a guy at work I give a ride to. He owes fines and cannot get a license.
I cannot fathom a father of 3 without a car. Uber and delivery services are his whole life.
How much different his kids experiences will be because they do not have a vehicle. It is really sad to me. Both my parents had wheels. We were mobile.
Today's society is different and they don't use public transit when they should be. All those empty busses and rail cars that I am force to subsidize. While Lift and Uber and Lime thrives.
 
Exactly. I want the chocolate milk container without the smegg on it. Sloppy stockers razor cuts to plastic food bags are hard to see. I had put stuff at end of conveyor belt due to damage I missed.

Just look at how the grocery store experience has changed.

Kids used to bag groceries while the clerk would ring up items. Every item had a price sticker on it.
The baggers would also push your cart to car and even load them into your car. It was a tipped job for younger boys.
That was not that long ago.

Much like full service gasoline stations. Besides New Jersey nowhere else has them anymore that I know of. Not even full service fuel islands that were last to go.
Check your engine oil while you sit in the car. Wipe your windscreen. Now cars are reliable and women in business attire have to pump their own gas.

Where are these robots you speak of? Certainly not stocking shelves yet. Picking up yard debris for city trucks? Not yet.

I have a guy at work I give a ride to. He owes fines and cannot get a license.
I cannot fathom a father of 3 without a car. Uber and delivery services are his whole life.
How much different his kids experiences will be because they do not have a vehicle. It is really sad to me. Both my parents had wheels. We were mobile.
Today's society is different and they don't use public transit when they should be. All those empty busses and rail cars that I am force to subsidize. While Lift and Uber and Lime thrives.
I do see AI-powered snack deliveries, though... they look like coolers on wheels, and are restricted to a relatively small part of town, a college campus full of kids too lazy to walk a few blocks to the participating eatery. Those coolers did learn to use crosswalks properly, but I keep suspecting that those crosswalks got rigged with underground sensors to help things along.

I mean, seriously, kids got so lazy, they use buttons labeled with wheelchairs to open doors instead of using the damn handles. I know there are motion-activated doors in some places, but this is abuse of tech that was aimed at helping wheelchair users.
 
had the local library obtain a book about Z80 computers and how to build them.
Yes - I read (a lot). If the whole point of AI is to skip the read step, and some how skip the knowledge acquisition step, it's probably not going to go well. You gain a lot more insite about how and why some thing is done when you take the time to study it.
 

Phishfry - The Taco Bell example is a good one:


AI gets an order for 18,000 bottles of water.

What does the AI do?
  1. Immediately places the customer order for 18,000 bottles of water.
  2. (OR) asks a human "Hay! I just got an order for 18,000 bottles of water. That seems like a lot because I usually only get bottled water orders for 1x or 2x bottles. Should I complete this order?"
For some strange reason... (#2) is never a choice :-). Humans ask other humans questions all the time. Not really understanding why AI's can't ask questions of either other AI's or humans. Strangely the (same AI) places orders for bottled water literally 24 hours a day and similarly can't tell that ordering 18,000 bottles of water is an anomaly? It's pretty clear the "learning" part of AI is being skipped.
 
The Taco Bell example is a good one:

AI gets an order for 18,000 bottles of water.

What does the AI do?
  1. Immediately places the customer order for 18,000 bottles of water.
  2. (OR) asks a human "Hay! I just got an order for 18,000 bottles of water. That seems like a lot because I usually only get bottled water orders for 1x or 2x bottles. Should I complete this order?"
For some strange reason... (#2) is never a choice :-). Humans ask other humans questions all the time. Not really understanding why AI's can't ask questions of either other AI's or humans. Strangely the (same AI) places orders for bottled water literally 24 hours a day and similarly can't tell that ordering 18,000 bottles of water is an anomaly? It's pretty clear the "learning" part of AI is being skipped.
Some of us, who are “on the spectrum”, will also go for option 1, without asking too much questions about it – customer asked for 18K bottles and customer is always right, right? 😉
 
Strangely the (same AI) places orders for bottled water literally 24 hours a day and similarly can't tell that ordering 18,000 bottles of water is an anomaly? It's pretty clear the "learning" part of AI is being skipped.
Even with a non-AI setup (like a vending machine), you'd think there'd be some limits programmed in, and machine would say, "Please select between 1 and 20 bottles". You gotta question if AI is really necessary in some setups, or are we better off with a simple vending machine that is conveniently located?

I mean, in Japan, there are vending machines that sell hot soup, soap, toothbrushes, you name it. No AI needed, just convenient product location that a reasonably intelligent human decided to set up. Sure, there's data to collect and analyze and think about. Just because AI is the hot stuff right now, that doesn't mean it's the right stuff for the situation at hand.
 
There are unmanned convenience stores in Japan, but they are not widespread due to issues such as cost.
 
Wrong. And I would preach that to my employees. You can bend but don't break for customers who misunderstand something.
Well, nowadays whole saying is “customer is always right - in the matters of taste”. There is no evidence that Selfridge ever said this exact phrase, but I like it nevertheless. If customer likes water so much, it’s not my place to judge them nor argue with them! 😉
 
Well, nowadays whole saying is “customer is always right - in the matters of taste”. There is no evidence that Selfridge ever said this exact phrase, but I like it nevertheless. If customer likes water so much, it’s not my place to judge them nor argue with them! 😉
Yeah, but if you know that this is not a typical amout to order, that people normally buy 10 at most, you can always say that you'll be happy to sell up to 10, but beyond that, you'll need permission from your boss.

Customers can be nuts enough to demand the moon, it doesn't mean you've got the ability to sell the moon! And that's OK.
 
Yeah, but if you know that this is not a typical amout to order, that people normally buy 10 at most, you can always say that you'll be happy to sell up to 10, but beyond that, you'll need permission from your boss.

Customers can be nuts enough to demand the moon, it doesn't mean you've got the ability to sell the moon! And that's OK.
We don’t know circumstances of that 18K bottles order – what if customer wanted to be charitable and help Skid Row homeless folks, that will be like what, only 3 bottles per person there? Or maybe they wanted it for a Rave party? As for the Moon, few companies are selling "deeds" to a piece of the Moon, arguing that 1967 Outer Space Treaty does not prohibit private ownership 🤷‍♂️
 
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