firefox is not unix, it is something horrible

Firefox decadence began in my opinion when they released Firefox 57 aka Firefox Quantum. When they dropped XUL extensions and only was possible to use WebExtensions add-ons.

Firefox now does a lot of non intuitive things, that it didn't do before. For example the new URL bar, before you could make that one click puts the cursor when you clicked and 2 clicks selects the whole bar. Now one clicks changes the bar and there's no way to change this behavior. Firefox is giving less control to the users in every release. I used to use the Pale Moon web browser, which is based in an older version of firefox. But there's not a port of Pale Moon in FreeBSD. Altough it runs well with the Linux binary compatibility.
 
Vadim Alexandrov said:
I made a suggestion to have Seamonkey back in the project, Polemoon, something lighter. I may be exaggerating, but this will really define a unix system. on NetBSD I compile seamonkey, and that's ok, I don't need a lot of unnecessary modifications.
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Pale Moon? Please, no. Their developers have got a very bad reputation and are often viewed as arrogant when it comes to ports.

Just like here: https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86

Also some of the former porters trying to get it on FreeBSD telling this:
> There was a long discussion on this mailing list in December 2019.
> Please check the list archives for details.
>
> Basically, the Pale Moon developers insist that one use private copies
> of a large number of libraries. If the system version of these libs are
> used instead, the Pale Moon devs consider that a license violation.
>
> Also, they came across as arrogant and high-handed, which was not well-
> received in the OI community.
I can also say that the same was perceived by those (of which I'm one)
attempting to make it available on FreeBSD.
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Following that librewolf bug report was quite interesting. In particular it flagged this service:

https://privacytests.org/

If the open-source community could normalize a high (perfect?) score in this being a requirement for an acceptable browser, that would be a really good thing.

Some reverse trolling could be in order. Go on every browser forum and spam "wHy cHrOme score be so baD hEre?"
 
This thread got me interested in librewolf so I tried it on Fedora which has a package for it. Much faster than firefox, doesn't require me going through the settings to set new tabs to a blank page. I like it, I hope it gets in the ports tree. So thanks fernandel, I'm glad you mentioned it.
 
At present, from what I saw on their website, you can get it in OpenBSD. Out of several Linux VM's, I could only get it on Fedora. The flatpak didn't work on Alma and the Arch AUR couldn't find the gpg signature on the build.
 
Profighost said:
We're talking 1980s. There was no "computer science" yet at universities.
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I got my BS Computer Science degree in Southern California in 1978. I then went to UCLA for a Graduate School where the CS dept had been in existence for some time and was participating in the development of ARPANET the predecessor of today's Internet.
ziomario said:
I had understood the logic "begin-end, begin-end, procedure, function" very well. What has been the evolution of turbo pascal during the years ? Is there a programming language today that works using that logic ?
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As to begin-end and := syntax they were somewhat 'cool ideas' by computer scientists to help create better error messages from the compilers by knowing better what was intended.

As a grad student at UCLA I taught ALGOL68 and subsequently ported the compiler to a new architecture (PDP-11 to VAX) on UNIX. You might be amused by ALGOL68's version of begin-end. IF-THEN-ELSE-FI; CASE-ESAC; WHILE-DO-OD.

It took me a while to be willing to live by the 'implied begin-end' in Python's indentation, I was and am much more comfortable with C and Perl's brackets '{}'.

Back to the regularly scheduled discussion.
 
bgrant said:
As a grad student at UCLA I taught ALGOL68 and subsequently ported the compiler to a new architecture (PDP-11 to VAX) on UNIX. You might be amused by ALGOL68's version of begin-end. IF-THEN-ELSE-FI; CASE-ESAC; WHILE-DO-OD.
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Seriously??? that stuff still lives on in $HOME/.shrc and $HOME/.login... ?
 
I have a better question to ask you. Let's say that on 90' I liked really much creating videogames with the turbo pascal 5.5. In particular there was a game that I enjoyed very much to play. The name was Prince of Persia. Today I would like to create my version of that game. Which language do you suggest to me to use now that you know that I like Pascal ? But,for sure today I can't use Pascal anymore. It's pretty limited. I would like to use a more modern language. But it should not be too much complicated,because I'm too old,I think,to learn C.
 
Well, languages are like religion — easy to get into arguments on which is the right one. But I’ll take a stab at an answer. You don’t mention a platform so I’ll assume FreeBSD/X but the following could also apply to Windows (and MAYBE Apple OSX). iPhones, Androids, Tablets are another story.

Rust is a new language that is supposed to help one avoid certain bad coding practices but I think it is like C so you might decide to pass.

I personally love Perl but it too is like C and I wouldn’t write a game in it.

Java is really popular and has the power to write the game in but it also is kind of C like.

So I’d probably suggest Python. It is one of the most popular languages out there. Python has tons of free getting started books and a great set of libraries that you can build on top of. I believe it has all the abilities to create windows and write to them which you probably want for games.

Maybe someone else who has written games can chime in.
 
For a personal project you can use almost any language you like.

For example you could use Free Pascal with editors/lazarus

For games you probably would use a framework or engine, most of which are written in C/C++ with bindings for many other languages.
 
hruodr said:
No. If you programmed pascal, you will learn C in one day.
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My dream is to create the multiplayer version of prince of persia in 2D. I would like that the enemies of the prince were humans,not robots. Would not that be so cool ? What's the better platform for games ? Windows.
 
for simpler games like '90s prince of persia you can use js + phaser (phaser.io)
runs well as long as you have decent opengl acceleration in the browser
what i did runs well on mac / windows / xbox one (via edge) / decent smart phones
it sucked on all my linux boxes (all arm) ( i don't have a freebsd workstation)
 
Ahh, Firefox. While implementing IPv6 in various regards, I was looking at the traffic. This firefox talks to dozens of sites, all the time, even when fully idle - sites I do not know and have no rDNS.
What is it talking all the time?

ralphbsz said:
You use "unix" as an adjective in the title. Can you define it?
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Some of us certainly can. (For some, it's a religion, and I count myself among these.)

ralphbsz said:
And: Firefox has a market share that can be counted on the fingers of one hand, in percent. Where does development funding for it come from? I don't know. Supposedly the development is controlled or organized by the Mozilla Foundation. Their total budget is about $25M per year, but according to their tax return, none of that is spend on software engineering for Firefox (instead it is used for "agenda setting, movement building, and leadership development"). The first $1.5M go into paying executives, plus another executive who gets $2.5M from an "associated for-profit organization". So perhaps Firefox development is all volunteers? In that case, what you describe (which I would call "bugs" or "horrible UI design") are just the state of the art.
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Hm, that sounds interesting. But then, look at FreeBSD: I think that would look more or less similar and apparently is indeed all-volunteer plus things sponsored by corporate users.

But then, look: when www was created in 1990, it was a cool thing: you could now easily present your scientific papers or charts or drafts or similar. But this has changed entirely. The Internet no longer is a scientific community.
For at least 15 years now, www is practically equated with a sales pump; The only commonly known purpose the Internet is considered to have for ordinary people is the web, and the only commonly considered usecase of the web is sales.

The browser then is the vital component in the middle: the engine driving the sales pump.

This has no longer anything to do with scientific achievements, it is just about making money, in a very profane sense.
Now what I don't understand: are there really hipsters out there who think it cool to work for free, as volunteers, only to help the rich people make millions and billions more of money? How does that work?
 
PMc said:
Ahh, Firefox. While implementing IPv6 in various regards, I was looking at the traffic. This firefox talks to dozens of sites, all the time, even when fully idle - sites I do not know and have no rDNS.
What is it talking all the time?


Some of us certainly can. (For some, it's a religion, and I count myself among these.)


Hm, that sounds interesting. But then, look at FreeBSD: I think that would look more or less similar and apparently is indeed all-volunteer plus things sponsored by corporate users.

But then, look: when www was created in 1990, it was a cool thing: you could now easily present your scientific papers or charts or drafts or similar. But this has changed entirely. The Internet no longer is a scientific community.
For at least 15 years now, www is practically equated with a sales pump; The only commonly known purpose the Internet is considered to have for ordinary people is the web, and the only commonly considered usecase of the web is sales.



This has no longer anything to do with scientific achievements, it is just about making money, in a very profane sense.
Now what I don't understand: are there really hipsters out there who think it cool to work for free, as volunteers, only to help the rich people make millions and billions more of money? How does that work?
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---> The browser then is the vital component in the middle: the engine driving the sales pump.

some days ago I've invited you to play with your imagination,trying to imagine which piece of software do you think can be used instead of a browser,now and in the future,but no one replied to my invitation.
 
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