Why it's so complicated

[Cath O'Deray]

x11/sddm: make "user session" more resilient · freebsd/freebsd-ports@87b48b8

It's possible to install SDDM with very little other X11 baggage, like xterm. In such a minimal install situation, SDDM will still come up and offer "User Session" -- and that session...

github.com

Blah blah … instead of just sitting there with a black screen and an X cursor.

In other words (without calling anyone a fool): part of making the KDE Plasma experience foolproof on FreeBSD.

Like, the opposite of "Why it's so complicated"

FreeBSD bug 256648 – x11/sddm enhance xinit-session for 'User Session' to work in the absence of ~/.xinitrc

• Closed FIXED
• the file is recommended, not required.

 

[mer]

making the KDE Plasma experience foolproof on FreeBSD.

My father always said "When you think you've made something foolproof, give it to your boss. Sometimes you just need a bigger fool"

 

[Noob Noob]

when i type :

1. pkg install --quiet --yes kde5 sddm xorg

pkg: unrecognized option --quite
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so i install xorg first

pkg install xorg

then i install kde5

pkg install kde5

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after that I install sddm

pkg install sddm

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and I enable dbus and sddm

1. sysrc dbus_enable="YES" && service dbus start

1. sysrc sddm_enable="YES" && service sddm start

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that's what I mean when I said above after I install xorg when I type startx twm doesn't appear or pop up
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[Cath O'Deray]

unrecognized

--quiet is proper. Quiet; less noisy.

--quite (mis-typed) is not recognisable.

 

[hbsd]

Noob Noob Have you made a normal user and added to wheel group? Add Users
If not, make one and log in with it.

 

[Cath O'Deray]

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that's what I mean when I said above after I install xorg when I type startx twm doesn't appear or pop up

When SDDM starts but is not visible, it is usually a sign of a problem with graphics configuration.

Please: did you attempt to manually configure a file? (Mis-typing is possible.)

Or did you run the NVIDIA-provided command (below) to automatically write the file?

nvidia-xconfig

 

[Noob Noob]

--quiet is proper. Quiet; less noisy.

--quite (mis-typed) is not recognisable.

?my bad ???

 

[Cath O'Deray]

Mis-typing in these two lines:

21- kldload nvidia-modset
22- kldstat | greb nvidia

 

[Noob Noob]

Noob Noob Have you made a normal user and added to wheel group? Add Users
If not, make one and log in with it.

Yes, through the installation >>> Login Group is <username> wheel video
and i thought you say to me to go uncomment wheel I just do that after I see ur comment

pkg install sudo

visudo

uncomment wheel :wq

 

[Noob Noob]

When SDDM starts but is not visible, it is usually a sign of a problem with graphics configuration.

Please: did you attempt to manually configure a file? (Mis-typing is possible.)

Or did you run the NVIDIA-provided command (below) to automatically write the file?

No, i just did only the steps above nothing else for now

 

[hbsd]

Noob Noob

Add these lines to /etc/sysctl.conf

net.local.stream.recvspace=65536
net.local.stream.sendspace=65536

If it still didn't work:
Create .xinitrc file:
# cp /usr/local/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc ~/.xinitrc

Delete all lines and add this to .xinitrc:
exec startkde

Then log in to you desktop with:
$ startkde

Make sure you log in with a normal user, not root user.

 

[astyle]

Mis-typing in these two lines:

Yeah, typos are the most common reason for errors, especially the ones that only pop up later. I learned early on to put in an effort to avoid typos - that saves a LOT of time down the road. The saying 'An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure' is especially apt in this case.

 

[astyle]

net.local.stream.recvspace=65536 net.local.stream.sendspace=65536

This is only necessary for some weird KDE packages that receive heavy use under very specific scenarios. Most of the time, the defaults are fine.

 

[Noob Noob]

especially apt in this case

The saying :

'Experience was of no ethical value. It was merely the name men gave to their mistakes'​

 

[Cath O'Deray]

exec startkde

More commonly:

exec ck-launch-session /usr/local/bin/startplasma-x11

 

[astyle]

More commonly:

exec ck-launch-session /usr/local/bin/startplasma-x11

Lines that long are usually inside scripts or programs, in interest of avoiding typos and shell mis-interpretation

 

[rigoletto@]

TL;DR

May I ask you why you want to use x11-wm/awesome?

Since you are in so much trouble to install the system, I need to ask: are you aware you need at least a good understand of Lua programing just to configure Awesome properly?

 

[astyle]

TL;DR

May I ask you why you want to use x11-wm/awesome?

Since you in so much trouble to install the system, I need to ask: are you aware you need at least a good understand of Lua programing to configure Awesome properly?

no, I was never aware of that, I'm a KDE fan. x11-wm/awesome sounds even less awesome to me now ?

 

[Noob Noob]

TL;DR

May I ask you why you want to use x11-wm/awesome?

Since you are in so much trouble to install the system, I need to ask: are you aware you need at least a good understand of Lua programing just to configure Awesome properly?

Yes i know, Just to learn more and challenge myself i will install it and configure it the way I like

 

[rigoletto@]

To talk quite frankly you can get away without learning Lua because the API is very well documented, but expect countless hours reading/learning it and writing hundreds (maybe several hundreds) of lines to get a personalized desktop.

This is the kind of thing you do once and use it forever because you have spent some much time configuring the thing, you don't want leave it behind.

 

[Noob Noob]

nothing special the usual steps it's just working on VM why !!!

 

[eternal_noob]

Typing random words into a root shell is not the best idea.

 

[Cath O'Deray]

… working on VM why !!

Because VirtualBox includes a driver for graphics.

Note, from <https://www.freshports.org/emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions/#message>:

…
Where Guest Additions are installed:

1. prefer VBoxSVGA
2. do not enable 3D acceleration (doing so will invisibly lose the preference for VBoxSVGA) …

 

[Cath O'Deray]

exec ck-launch-session /usr/local/bin/startplasma-x11

Lines that long are usually inside scripts or programs, in interest of avoiding typos and shell mis-interpretation

I was taught to use that line long ago. Abbreviated, if you prefer, but it's recommended, for example:

 

[kpedersen]

I personally feel that people do themselves a disservice by jumping to login managers and desktop environments before they even have a working Xorg. Computers are often more complex than this and do require some technical steps to debug.

The problem with login managers is they *hide* useful debug information. This is almost the point of them to hide technical stuff from non-technical users.

Start with startx. Do you see any obvious error messages?
Check the Xorg log (/var/log/Xorg.0.log). Do you see any obvious error messages?

Oddly I can't see any of this necessary debugging information on this thread. Am I missing it? I have scanned through a number of times.

FreeBSD is not particularly complicated; you just need to go through the motions, not rush, aim to do things correctly and avoid taking shortcuts. Also understand that KDE isn't FreeBSD. It is a Linux-centric GUI program that happens to also run (to various degrees of brokenness) on Windows, macOS and *BSD.