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People wanting to use FreeBSD and have it automatically configured for desktop should take a look at sysutils/desktop-installer.
Just to point out that a great deal of desktop setup can be done with a metaport. That would be just one big port that depends on X, a desktop manager, and any other packages that are desired to be included. Local modifications can be included in the metaport's files directory, and even scripts that set preferred defaults.
I don't take this personally, but it was written by you refering to my argumentation, or wasn't it? And I disagree ANOKNUSA's explanation, I get the impression, that some people here don't know about an important thing for developement of a society called "division of labor": Johann Sebastian Bach was on of the greatest organists, he also was able to judge new organs and perhaps he also was able to tune up organs but reparing a damage was job for people like Gottfried Silbermann. And to create tools for reparing wasn't job for Silbermann, it was job for a toolmaker. This is called division of labor.Why do you take this personally? The word "you" in my post was not aimed at *you* personally, but to any generic FreeBSD user.
Beastie7: If this refers to people like me, do you belive I'm a refugee and I want to replace GNU/Linux with FreeBSD? Why should I replace an unix based operation system which is free software, which is installable on several filesystems, which offers me a big fundus of current free software stuff, which is excellent documentated with up-to-date articles, which allows me to participate in current developement of plasma5 and kf5 stuff and which supports a lot of hardware like printers, wlan cards, soundcards, graphic cards, which offers me a lot of different possibilities of installation and administration (Arch with its KISS conception, Debian with a rock stable packagemanagement, openSUSE with GUI tool YaST) and which I can use for my needs as a user of a desktop system? I've started to use FreeBSD because I want to get to know a further unix based operating system, I want to find out, if I can work with FreeBSD on desktop like with a GNU/Linux without intention to replace Linux with FreeBSD.I swear it's like the migration crisis in these forums lately. Big ol' Red Hat is evil, so all the refugees are flocking to BSD-land expecting to get the same environment.
People wanting to use FreeBSD and have it automatically configured for desktop should take a look at sysutils/desktop-installer.
Because pkg(8) would then also need to undo those changes for you, and now we're getting into more complex territory. You, the user, are empowered to make those changes on your own, and in the process you become informed precisely how your system is being crafted and configured, making it easier to maintain. This is precisely where the asinine debate over the ever-mythical "perfect desktop OS" falls on my eminently deaf ears: what people are arguing for is willful ignorance. FreeBSD is not a magic lamp, it's a minimal toolbox. Users who want something else should choose any of the numerous "something else's" that are already available.
Just to point out that a great deal of desktop setup can be done with a metaport. That would be just one big port that depends on X, a desktop manager, and any other packages that are desired to be included. Local modifications can be included in the metaport's files directory, and even scripts that set preferred defaults.
No, I have simply taken your post as a starting point to express my opinions about this thread topic: "What would you like to see in FreeBSD". You said that FreeBSD should be easier to non-professional users, and I simply replied: "I disagree." and I explained why. I've just expressed my opinions which, in this case, are different from yours. I don't know how to be more polite than that without sacrificing my opinions. Maybe offering you a beer...I don't take this personally, but it was written by you refering to my argumentation, or wasn't it?
No, I have simply taken your post as a starting point to express my opinions about this thread topic: "What would you like to see in freebsd". You said that FreeBSD should be easier to non-professional users, and I simply replied: "I disagree." and I explained why. I've just expressed my opinions which, in this case, are different from yours. I don't know how to be more polite than that without sacrificing my opinions. Maybe offering you a beer...
So we talk the same (alcoholic) language! Great...I would prefer a glas of white wine, thanks
Sure. No problem, mate!Maybe some misunderstanding
We're not too distant... I'm from Italy.I'm coming from Germany and not an native speaker of english language
Yes, someone mentioned adult beverages. So it is a sure thing they turn up rather sooner than later. I'll have the 20 year old scotch, please. No ice.Stop here. We are off-topic, and I hear the moderators coming...
I respectfully disagree with you. Idea of postinstall scripts and starting daemons after software installation which I believe comes from Debian kitchen is beyond dumb. It is adopted by Ubuntu. I am not sure what OpenSUSE and Arch are doing but they are irrelevant here in U.S.
Post install scripts may be a bad idea and I respect your opinion on that, but a text file or link to instructions would be appropriate rather than something which flies by at install time and cannot be found again. I just gave up on K3B and started to use the command line instead, but some people may like to use K3B nevertheless and if it's to be offered, then I think it should be offered transparently for what it is and not as some cryptic surprise.
As for U.S. being set apart from open source, I must say you have me wondering what you're talking about there.
Even if k3b installation is successful there seems to be a bug with current qt4 in FreeBSD 10.2. I'll try to find out a solution with help of member talsamon.
Sorry for this off-topic comment.
I can be found again, easily. Like this:... rather than something which flies by at install time and cannot be found again.
tingo@kg-core1$ pkg info --pkg-message firefox-40.0.3,1
firefox-40.0.3,1:
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smb:// issues (Gvfs/GIO option):
Network group, machine, and share browsing does not work correctly.
sftp:// (Gvfs/GIO option):
Only sftp access using public key authentication works. To easily
setup public key authentication to "remote_host":
Ok. Next Question. Is the discussion here just entertainment or has it some meaningful output for developers?
8. I like the fact that developers are talking about better NTP daemon. Please do it. I would like to see an alternative to OpenNTPD (or NTP bloat-ware) This actually could be much higher on my list.
I am awareMr. Poul-Henning Kamp is working hard on Ntimed - a new replacement to NTPd. You can follow the progress at: http://phk.freebsd.dk/time/index.html
At FOSDEM 2015; PHK was giving a speech about It.
Slides and video are available:
https://archive.fosdem.org/2015/schedule/event/ntimed_ntpd_replacement/
Xombrero is not affiliated in any shape or form with OpenBSD project and has not being affiliated even when Marco was developer. His tiling window manager spectrwm formerly known as scrotwm manager has been removed from the base at the time of Marco's departure as a developer. However his code still lives in OpenBSD in particularly anything storage related (Hardware RAID drivers, controllers and similar).
I think oss is the default on FreeBSD, isn't it?
In the operating system? Yes. The sound system uses the OSS API (it was rewritten a few times, so it's not really the old OSS though).
OpenBSD has sndio, I believe it also uses the OSS API.
Juniper networks have vetoed. So the secret is out. JunoOS is actually using IPF.5) Remove IPF (provided it's not being used anymore).
I just tried recently when 7.0 was released. I am not impressed at all neither with the installer nor with NetBSD. Just as a side note it would take so much work to adopt that installer to installations to ZFS pools that practically mean writing things from scratch.12) This one is just a joke, but NetBSD's BSOD installer also looks nice ( https://www.netbsd.org/docs/guide/install-5.0/inst-language.png ).