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  • vmisev
    vmisev replied to the thread Amiga vs Atari ST.
    I watch a lot of YT for ST content and turns out they rarely need even recap work to be done on them; they just work - even 40 years old ones.
  • vmisev
    vmisev reacted to RetroComputingCollector's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Like Like.
    Amigas were not built poorly. Sure you have bad caps and leaky batteries, but every piece of electronics runs into that at some point. I have a PS/2, I like it, but I think nothing can beat my AGA Amigas.
  • vmisev
    vmisev replied to the thread Amiga vs Atari ST.
    Oh, I misunderstood, my apologies. Yeah, there were plenty of audio cards even for A1000.
  • vmisev
    vmisev reacted to RetroComputingCollector's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Thanks Thanks.
    I was referring to the third party Amiga audio cards.
  • vmisev
    vmisev replied to the thread Amiga vs Atari ST.
    Not before '87 - AdLib, IBM IMFC, Roland MT-32 (external). Creative released C/MS in '89, and Microsoft released WSS as sound card specification only in late '92. I'm not counting Tandy 1K which had good sound for the time but was not even...
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    freethread reacted to olivierd's post in the thread FreeBSD Screen Shots with Like Like.
    The Budgie desktop 10.9.3 is out Below a screenshot with x11/ptyxis and the new GNOME audio player, decibels. The bottom panel is x11/plank.
  • Zare
    Zare reacted to bakul's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Thanks Thanks.
    I bought an Atari 520ST mainly for its bitmap display and even their $300 "development kit" but didn't do much with either. I was already very familiar with Unix, used Unix at home (Fortune 32:16) and all my consulting/contract work was mostly...
  • vmisev
    vmisev replied to the thread Amiga vs Atari ST.
    That Apollo you are talking about was bought by HP in '89.
  • SirDice
    SirDice reacted to vmisev's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Like Like.
    Not only the software, AFAIK main reason that many musicians used ST even long after MIDI and software from the same companies was available for PC and Mac has to do with near perfect MIDI timing that was possible on ST. I'm sorry that IDK...
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    SirDice reacted to Zare's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Like Like.
    Not versed in Amiga world but Atari ST was made as a low-cost computer. Corners were cut, mainly in packaging and ergonomics. What it had is a fast I/O and built in MIDI port. It was more than capable handling a saturated (31.5kbit) MIDI IO in...
  • vmisev
    vmisev reacted to bakul's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Like Like.
    The Apollo Computer I am aware of is the one that was started in 1980 in Chelmsford, Massachusetts. They produced one of the first workstations with a bitmap display and with a distributed network OS Aegis (you could page in/out over the network...
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    Zare reacted to covacat's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Thanks Thanks.
    wow, the ps/2 has 0 votes. no love for the mca token ring adapter ....
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    Zare replied to the thread Amiga vs Atari ST.
    There is a Cubase clone for PC called Master Tracks Pro which is capable of running in real mode Windows. However due to lack of performance of some high XT/low AT compared to ST, it's not that usable. MIDI is a serial port. What I think is...
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    vmisev reacted to covacat's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Like Like.
    wow, the ps/2 has 0 votes. no love for the mca token ring adapter ....
  • vmisev
    vmisev reacted to Zare's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Like Like.
    Not versed in Amiga world but Atari ST was made as a low-cost computer. Corners were cut, mainly in packaging and ergonomics. What it had is a fast I/O and built in MIDI port. It was more than capable handling a saturated (31.5kbit) MIDI IO in...
  • Zare
    Zare reacted to vmisev's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Thanks Thanks.
    Not only the software, AFAIK main reason that many musicians used ST even long after MIDI and software from the same companies was available for PC and Mac has to do with near perfect MIDI timing that was possible on ST. I'm sorry that IDK...
  • vmisev
    vmisev replied to the thread Amiga vs Atari ST.
    Not only the software, AFAIK main reason that many musicians used ST even long after MIDI and software from the same companies was available for PC and Mac has to do with near perfect MIDI timing that was possible on ST. I'm sorry that IDK...
  • Zare
    Zare reacted to SirDice's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Thanks Thanks.
    A big plus of the Atari ST was its builtin MIDI ports. And Cubase. That's the biggest reason why it was quite popular under musicians. Some still do use those old STs and Cubase.
  • Zare
    Zare replied to the thread Amiga vs Atari ST.
    Not versed in Amiga world but Atari ST was made as a low-cost computer. Corners were cut, mainly in packaging and ergonomics. What it had is a fast I/O and built in MIDI port. It was more than capable handling a saturated (31.5kbit) MIDI IO in...
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    hruodr reacted to RetroComputingCollector's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Thanks Thanks.
    AmigaOS had pre-emptive multitasking 10 years before Windows got it.
  • vmisev
    vmisev reacted to covacat's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Like Like.
    cpm predated that. even c128 and apple ii? could run it with and add on board cpm had the most business software in the 8 bit world like wordstar, turbo pascal, dbase and others
  • SirDice
    SirDice replied to the thread Amiga vs Atari ST.
    A big plus of the Atari ST was its builtin MIDI ports. And Cubase. That's the biggest reason why it was quite popular under musicians. Some still do use those old STs and Cubase.
  • Zare
    Zare reacted to Maturin's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Thanks Thanks.
    No. Of course not. And you are absolutely right. But - according to my theory - the system providing the most, and best games will become the market leader. "IBM PCs" became market leader, after Microsoft provided an OS independant from IBM, but...
  • Zare
    Zare replied to the thread Amiga vs Atari ST.
    Yes. PC did that by being around at millions of homes at a point when gaming market was starting to form again in late 80s after the '83 crash. PC was always about being massive. Not just about best or affordable, but accessible in terms of...
  • vmisev
    vmisev replied to the thread Amiga vs Atari ST.
    Funny that no one mentioned Apollo Computer V4 Standalone, where one can choose ROM and OS and have Amiga or Atari (or even 68K Mac) with the same, modern and quite advanced hardware. They are the first to bring the end to this eternal Atari vs...
  • SirDice
    SirDice reacted to Zare's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Like Like.
    Btw do not make mistake that PC has anything to do with games pre 90s. Games had nothing to do with design requirements for all IBM graphics standards, MDA, CGA, EGA, MCGA, VGA. And nothing to do with VESA standards that came after. Amiga and...
  • vmisev
    vmisev replied to the thread Amiga vs Atari ST.
    Apple II had some good Z80 cards for CP/M, Microsoft being only one amongst many, but they all run on native 4MHz. C128 CP/M was painfully slow – Z80 was limited to 2Mhz because of 8502, but it had advantage that 1571 could read and write many...
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    robroy reacted to Crivens's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Like Like.
    I remember seeing an ST when I was visiting the Roncalli Circus, in the orchestra three.
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    robroy reacted to RetroComputingCollector's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Like Like.
    The Amiga had Video Toaster and could edit video in real time. The A3000UX ran SysV. Now let's compare that to the NES. It ran games that were much less graphically advanced compared to the A500, and that's all it did.
  • robroy
    robroy reacted to SirDice's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Like Like.
    Had plenty of not-so-harmless viruses too. At some point I got so fed up with it I wrote my own virusscanner that was able to detect and remove 5 different viruses. A few I still remember "Lamer Exterminator" (survived a reset and 'encrypted' its...
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    robroy reacted to covacat's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Like Like.
    so you could run invaders and pacman at the same time ? macos classic never had it and still beat them. multitasking does not necessarily make a computer more useful also os half had better whatever and still failed for various reasons
  • robroy
    robroy reacted to RetroComputingCollector's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Like Like.
    AmigaOS had pre-emptive multitasking 10 years before Windows got it.
  • Zare
    Zare reacted to vmisev's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Thanks Thanks.
    True that about "standard" ST keyboard, but Mega detached keyboard was quite good, AFAIR it used Cherry MX Black switches.
  • robroy
    robroy reacted to Useradd's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Like Like.
    The Amiga 500 was clearly the superior machine; better graphics which was obvious when a game was compared to the same game on the ST, Deluxe Paint, and true multitasking as already mentioned somewhere in this thread. It also had an early virus...
  • Zare
    Zare replied to the thread Amiga vs Atari ST.
    Btw do not make mistake that PC has anything to do with games pre 90s. Games had nothing to do with design requirements for all IBM graphics standards, MDA, CGA, EGA, MCGA, VGA. And nothing to do with VESA standards that came after. Amiga and...
  • robroy
    robroy reacted to SirDice's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Like Like.
    Near the end I started looking for alternatives and had found NetBSD. Unfortunately my 4000/030 has a 68EC030, which lacked the MMU required to run NetBSD :( Have looked at it a couple of times over the years but never actually installed it on...
  • robroy
    robroy reacted to vmisev's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Like Like.
    AFAIK, Atari had lent $500K to the Amiga Corporation, but that was before Tramiel was ousted from Commodore and bought Atari. His son found out about that debt which was due at the end of June '84, and they tried to buy Amiga, but Commodore...
  • robroy
    robroy reacted to Crivens's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Like Like.
    Well, SOMEWHERE I still have the 300Baud coupler for phone handsets... Interestingly, both the ST and the Amiga share one person - Jack Tramiel. The rivals were indeed brothers, and I would like to say that this is why they got ahead, each one...
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  • robroy
    robroy reacted to karel's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Like Like.
    I started real programming on Amiga. loved that machine and culture around it, but stepped away when endless battles began. Amiga died inside Commodore, hippy intelligentsia moved forwards.
  • robroy
    robroy reacted to vmisev's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Like Like.
    Yeah, flamewar! I had Atari ST 1040 STfm with SM124 Mono monitor (640x400), originally TOS 1.04, 1M RAM, built in DS 720K 3.5" FDD. Later, AFAIR ~90, upgraded (modded is better word, there was a lot of soldering) to 4M RAM, TOS 2.06 and 1.44M...
  • robroy
    robroy reacted to SirDice's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Like Like.
    At some point I had a choice, spend ~ fl. 3000,- on an accelerator card for a platform that's been effectively dead for a couple of years, or spend that money on a PC build. Spent it on a PC, a Pentium II - 350MHz, with a much, much faster and...
  • robroy
    robroy reacted to Crivens's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Like Like.
    Sadly, they never did pull off the switch to the PowerPC correctly. That would have been a hoot. I did my first commercial software on the Amiga, and it brought me to where I am. Customer support was interesting, best were a hospital in ungary...
  • robroy
    robroy reacted to Maturin's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Like Like.
    I had an A500, and later an A2000. I really loved this machine - was nice computering, intelligent design, logical, intuitive, already real multitasking, above all almost rock solid stable, shell, sophisticated GUI, scripting language, C...
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    scottro reacted to SirDice's post in the thread First quick try at 15-ALPHA with Thanks Thanks.
    -ALPHA builds are done from the stable/15 branch. Both -CURRENT and -STABLE default to the 'latest' package repositories. BETA1 will be the first build from releng/15.0 and it will default to quarterly packages (like all -RELEASE versions).
  • vmisev
    vmisev replied to the thread Amiga vs Atari ST.
    True that about "standard" ST keyboard, but Mega detached keyboard was quite good, AFAIR it used Cherry MX Black switches.
  • vmisev
    vmisev reacted to Zare's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Like Like.
    I picked Atari ST because I own one. It is not 'my' machine in the sense I acquired it around year 2000 as 'compensation' for PC build/repair services. It is a 1040STe with 14" mono screen, 1 MB RAM, German early TOS. Back then I immediately...
  • Zare
    Zare replied to the thread Amiga vs Atari ST.
    I picked Atari ST because I own one. It is not 'my' machine in the sense I acquired it around year 2000 as 'compensation' for PC build/repair services. It is a 1040STe with 14" mono screen, 1 MB RAM, German early TOS. Back then I immediately...
  • vmisev
    vmisev reacted to Maturin's post in the thread Amiga vs Atari ST with Like Like.
    Of course. But it was like it was. They had the advantage the "IBM compatible PCs", as they were called those days before Windows, had to catch up with them, first. Also the price was crucial. An IBM PC cost at least as twice as a Homecomputer...
  • vmisev
    vmisev replied to the thread Amiga vs Atari ST.
    This is very US centric view of the history. BTW, Nintendo was almost not heard of in Europe before '90s (but TBH, Sega was quite popular console).
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