Solved Xorg/Xlibre Megathread Disappeared

[BawdyAnarchist]

Hi all, I was trying to find that megathread discussion that happened in June regarding Xorg and Xlibre. It seems to have disappeared:

https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/so-long-xorg-thanks-for-all-the-fish-hello-xlibre.98054/

I've tried any number of searches that should yield something, tried search engines as well, but keep coming up empty handed. Was it moved somewhere else?

 

[cracauer@]

So long Xorg, thanks for all the fish, hello XLibre?

If you believe this actually happens... View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwaaSatk0pI&ab_channel=TheLundukeJournal Would be nice if there was more than one horse in the race for those who don't particularly like wayland or it doesn't support their DE of choice. I hope it's more than...

web.archive.org

 

[SirDice]

Can't remember, but it was likely trashed because people kept making it political.

There's this thread though: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/porting-x11libre-to-freebsd.98455/

 

[BawdyAnarchist]

So long Xorg, thanks for all the fish, hello XLibre?

If you believe this actually happens... View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwaaSatk0pI&ab_channel=TheLundukeJournal Would be nice if there was more than one horse in the race for those who don't particularly like wayland or it doesn't support their DE of choice. I hope it's more than...

web.archive.org

Yeah that was the next thing I did. Still trying to understand why it's not searchable/reachable here. I feel like there are other comments under other threads, by myself and others that I can't find either.

I don't remember if they were under that thread or not, but that was at least the big prominent one that I know for sure existed and is now not here.

 

[BawdyAnarchist]

Can't remember, but it was likely trashed because people kept making it political.

There's this thread though: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/porting-x11libre-to-freebsd.98455/

Why wouldn't the mods just lock the thread then with a note "this has gotten too political, please keep it neutral."

There are useful comments in there, and I was trying to find one in particular. Removing an entire discussion thread seems like poor form.

 

[msplsh]

As a... warning? If you know what was in there, just ask again?

 

[BawdyAnarchist]

As a... warning? If you know what was in there, just ask again?

A warning should be "we locked the thread and deleted a couple particularly egregious comments." Nuking an entire thread so that it can only be found on the internet archive is group punishment against the innocent, and something completely different.

"Ask again." ? People wrote thoughtful comments. They took time to do that, only to have their comments nuked because other people were bad actors.

It's not even about "asking again." It's about the fact that I have a vague recollection of something that I want to reference now. I cant simply "ask again."

 

[msplsh]

Asking the mods to sift through radwaste to retrieve uncontaminated half-thoughts that may or may not make sense out of context is asking too much.

 

[BawdyAnarchist]

Asking the mods to sift through radwaste to retrieve uncontaminated half-thoughts that may or may not make sense out of context is asking too much.

The mods were already closely watching that discussion in real time as it unfolded. They wouldnt have had to "sift through" anything. They were already "sifting" as you put it.

Simply lock the thread, warn the particular offenders, and move on. But dont delete other good commentary, punishing reasonable members on the basis of other bad ones.

 

[msplsh]

Once could say the "reasonable" members just added fuel to the fire and got burnt too. Oh well.

 

[Beastie7]

I think ignoring the contingencies behind manipulating the open source desktop ecosystem is shortsightedness at best. If you understand the systemd debacle, you understand the xlibre/wayland debacle. Of course it's political, because the perpetrators themselves, are political.

"xlibre" is long overdue for it's own foundation.

Or hail Redhat.

 

[msplsh]

Not really an upgrade to replace Red Hat with red hat, so

 

[Beastie7]

Let me give you a secret. The Red Hat detractors are bigger than Red Hat. The issue is coalescing.

 

[msplsh]

If we're lucky, it won't be xlibre that upsets Red Hat.

 

[Beastie7]

Some brave soul will eventually fork GNOME3 for xlibre compatibility. Hopefully many of you are aware of the enfacements to Xorg the freedesktop maintainers were gatekeeping. That's not some trivial thing.

Only time will tell I guess. Quartz continues to spoil me either way.

 

[fmc000]

Well, according to the detractors XLibre was supposed to be just some political thing that would eventually fold in a short period of time. To me it looks like a pretty healthy project that right now is already delivering at least one feature that Xorg is lacking (tearfree). Yes, it's way too early to judge as we're still in the first year of the project but next week the second release (25.1) will be out, in time according to the schedule.

Do I like Weigelt stance on vaccines? Absolutely not.
Would I engage in such a discussion with him? Not in a million years.
Do I care about the MAGA-like introduction in the XLibre homepage? No.
Do I run my main system under XLibre? Yes.

 

[vulpine]

Xlibre isn't a hateful project, their developers are just really bad at marketing and there's a lot of people who really don't like X11 spreading misinformation. I tried Xlibre on my Linux workstation and it had lower latency with better performance in games compared to xorg. I've been running it for a while now with zero issues. Just waiting for the Xlibre FreeBSD port to become more polished to switch over my other machines too.

 

[vermaden]

Can't remember, but it was likely trashed because people kept making it political.

There's this thread though: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/porting-x11libre-to-freebsd.98455/

I would 'kinda understand' locking the thread ... but removing? That is just bad. That is censorship like behavior.

 

[cracauer@]

I also think that locking is a more elegant solution than removing.

There's often valuable bits in such threads that go from technical to a bit of a flamewar.

 

[msplsh]

That is censorship like behavior.

People are under no obligation to host your speech, especially if they don't like it.

 

[cadahl]

People are under no obligation to host your speech, especially if they don't like it.

Then delete the political speech and keep the rest of the thread. As it is, it seems technical discussion was lost.

 

[DutchDaemon]

This one?

So long Xorg, thanks for all the fish, hello XLibre?

If you believe this actually happens... View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwaaSatk0pI&ab_channel=TheLundukeJournal Would be nice if there was more than one horse in the race for those who don't particularly like wayland or it doesn't support their DE of choice. I hope it's more than...

web.archive.org

 

[DutchDaemon]

Anyway, there it is, thanks for the feedback.