What if Oracle hadn't bought Sun ?

Also Jobs realised one important thing: Macs need to appeal to coporate environments as well, and in order to do so Mac needs a native port of Microsoft Office. This is why he made a deal with Microsoft about it, even had a video call with Bill Gates in his keynote where he announced that. Many were not really happy about that controversial decision.
Well, not exactly – if you wanted to say that deal was struck for the first time when he got back in late '90s. First version of MS Word For Mac was released on Jan 18 '85, Excel for Mac was released Sep 30, '85 and PowerPoint bit later, April 20 '87.

First time they were packaged together as MS Office for Mac was in June 19 '89 - Word 4.00, Excel 2.20, PowerPoint 2.01, and Mail 1.37

Jobs left Apple on September 17, '85

There is even famous and hilarious story by Douglas Adams published in September '87 in MacUser Douglas Adams' Guide to the Macintosh


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Right, but you need to take a look at the whole context: in the 80s Microsoft was still mainly DOS, and Windows didn't play a major role. M$ even thought back then that OS/2 will be the future.

When Jobs returned to Apple in 1997 the Macintosh was a dying platform, and Windows was already through the roof since Windows 95. So while in the past there were enough Office versions for Mac Microsoft back then in 1997 had little reason to do so in the future.

Jobs' deal with Microsoft contained the obligation that M$ has to produce Office for Mac at least five years into the future.

That's the part which rescued Apple in the corporate environment.
 
Right, but you need to take a look at the whole context: in the 80s Microsoft was still mainly DOS, and Windows didn't play a major role. M$ even thought back then that OS/2 will be the future.

When Jobs returned to Apple in 1997 the Macintosh was a dying platform, and Windows was already through the roof since Windows 95. So while in the past there were enough Office versions for Mac Microsoft back then in 1997 had little reason to do so in the future.

Jobs' deal with Microsoft contained the obligation that M$ has to produce Office for Mac at least five years into the future.

That's the part which rescued Apple in the corporate environment.
Yeah, but MS formed Macintosh Business Unit in Jan '97 to start working on Office98 for Mac, and partnership agreement and famous "at least 5 more years" pledge was only in August '97. Jobs was just back to Apple in Feb '97.

Also, back in '97 Mac wasn't dying platform, far from it, it was used as WS in few industries, printing, video production, music production, boffins depended on it – and for pure business environments as well where board was smart enough to go with 4D. It was fair to say that Apple was dying company because of mismanagement, but Mac was doing well in the markets where was used exclusively.
 
i still have a g4 "lamp" mac with 1ghz cpu. 1G ram, wifi. 20" ips display. also have the bubble speakers. still looks kind if cool
sucks that the speakers only work with this mac. they have some kind of digital inout via a weird type of RCA jack
 
I was already familiar with the "Steve Jobs revolutionized the world by making it gloss white" idea, but it is extremelly edifying to get a different perspective based on technology details and industry adoption at the time that I had not even began to consider.

I remember those colorfoul desktop Macs with the transparent backs, my school bought a few. I remember thinking how excitable they were, and tht the world would never shift on the premise of shiny colours (lol boy did I get that one wrong). But I have always also had the feeling that, in order to be positioned to make that push, Mac must have achieved some deep market penetration in some way that I was not aware of, some story I never heard. You don't deploy a strategy like that without long arms and deep knowledge. And deep pockets. It's not a starting point, it's a pivot.
 
I remember those colorfoul desktop Macs with the transparent backs, my school bought a few. I remember thinking how excitable they were, and tht the world would never shift on the premise of shiny colours (lol boy did I get that one wrong).
Those were iMac G3's and I passionately hated them. I had few @ $DAYJOB and they were crap comparing to older Beige G3 desktops and towers. But they were shiny, right? Same thing with Power Mac G3 ("Blue and White"). Only decent machines in iMac range were eMac G4's (white ones, preceded by "Sunflower" iMac G4 which covacat have and calls it 'lamp" because of Pixar Luxo Jr.).

Gray colored Power Macs G4 were good machines, better with each generation, and "Cheese Graters" G5 were superb.

Best thing about that circus like color scheme form late '90s was that for the first time then I saw girls bringing iBooks into cafes to do their work. I guess they considered them to be fashion accessory, but it was great, I could start conversation without being creepy nor lame 😎

So, thanks Steve 😉
 
I remember those colorfoul desktop Macs with the transparent backs, my school bought a few. I remember thinking how excitable they were, and tht the world would never shift on the premise of shiny colours (lol boy did I get that one wrong). But I have always also had the feeling that, in order to be positioned to make that push, Mac must have achieved some deep market penetration in some way that I was not aware of, some story I never heard. You don't deploy a strategy like that without long arms and deep knowledge. And deep pockets. It's not a starting point, it's a pivot.
Yes, but that push happened long before and after the iMacs were invented.

The big selling point for the original Macs in the 80s was the invention of DTP or desktop publishing. It was the first computer system with good enough GUI to be able to manage to do that. It took Windows long enough to catch on here. Apple was so invested into DTP, that they even produced their own series of laser printers back then, which were bulky and slow things by modern standards. Stuff like the Laserwriter IINT. Inkjet printers became popular much later. For a long time the program to go for DTP was Quark XPress. For other documents Aldus Pagemaker.

The other point was image editing, namely Adobe Photoshop, which for a long time only worked on Mac.

It's not like other computers like Atari didn't try to carve their niche here as well, but they all failed.

This is why Apple still has such a big user base in the creative and graphical industry. Also when Quark and Photoshop later was ported to Windows many people in the print and design industry still preferred Mac, due to it giving more precise and better output for the printing press. Also it was easier to use.

The iMac was not supposed to be a computer for professional work. Of course you could still do it. But instead it was supposed to be a great looking and easy to use computer to hook you up onto the internet.

Compared to what you had to do connect a Windows PC to the internet the iMac was dead simple, way better looking and way less cluttered. It also had a very competetive price point. It was also one of the first computers to only come equipped with USB ports, which was a radical decision back then.

What to say - it worked. The iMac was a great success and sold like hot cakes, bringing in much needed revenue to the decaying company. What really changed Apple then though was the launch of the iPod.

At the time when Jobs joined Apple again Apple had no deep pockets any longer. It had about almost a decade of decline behind it. And it was rumored to be a candidate to get bought by a competitor, namely Sony. It was Jobs who gave Apple deep pockets again.

Jobs also then made some bold decisions later in his career.

After iMac came out the biggest improvement on Mac side was the introduction of MacOS. Apple's own OS for Mac at the time back then was outdated and lacked features the competition had, like memory protection or real multitasking. Apple tried to develop a successor for the old system in the 90s and had an internal project named Copland, but it failed to deliver. Apple then was in negotiations with Be to buy BeOS, but they demanded probably too much. Instead the board went with NeXT and the rest is history.

MacOS under the hood is a continuation of NeXTStep, sharing lots of APIs and concepts, like the dock.

Another of the problems Mac had when he came back was the Power CPU architecture. Intel was taking off over time, and Power CPU failed to be on par in terms of power consumption for laptops and computing power.

In the past Apple ridiculed Intel for being too slow. In 2005 Apple switched then the whole Mac lineup to Intel CPUs, which was the second time Apple switched the CPU architecture. First one was from Motorola 68000 to PowerCPU, so the PowerMacs. Which is what made Apple computers good again for many most people performance wise. Intel then again was ditched in 2020 due to too many hardware errors, unkept promised and bad QA for the ARM based Apple Silicone architecture.
 
Just few additions and correction or two, if you don't mind:
Yes, but that push happened long before and after the iMacs were invented.
I agree 100%

The big selling point for the original Macs in the 80s was the invention of DTP or desktop publishing. It was the first computer system with good enough GUI to be able to manage to do that. It took Windows long enough to catch on here. Apple was so invested into DTP, that they even produced their own series of laser printers back then, which were bulky and slow things by modern standards. Stuff like the Laserwriter IINT. Inkjet printers became popular much later. For a long time the program to go for DTP was Quark XPress. For other documents Aldus Pagemaker.
Biggest thing for Apple in DTP was Adobe PostScript. Their first laser was PostScript, and you could use scalable (vector) PS Fonts on the Mac display with Adobe Type Manager. At the same time (~85) Aldus released PageMager – type and page setting program which worked with PS fonts and could output PS not only on LaserWriter, but also on the few orders of magnitude more expansive Imagesetters. Quark come on the market two years later, in the March '87, approx. at the same time with Adobe Illustrator, vector drawing app, which again could output PostScript, bit more importantly it could export EPS files for importing in apps like PageMaker and Quark. It took few years for Quark to overcome PageMaker in market share.

The other point was image editing, namely Adobe Photoshop, which for a long time only worked on Mac.
Photoshop was released in '89, as 0.87, but it was shipped only with certain scanners, 1.0 came in Feb '90, but truly important version, which made it "must have" in the graphics industry was 2.0 in Jun '91 – that was the first version which natively could edit and output CMYK files. 2.5 was released in Nov '92, and this was the first version that worked also on Windows, so wasn't so long time that Photoshop worked only on Mac.

It's not like other computers like Atari didn't try to carve their niche here as well, but they all failed.
Atari did initially very well in DTP market (I had and used one for DTP), they even had laser that was much cheaper than Apple or HP, but lack of PS, and after Win3.1, TTF fonts made them destined to lose.

This is why Apple still has such a big user base in the creative and graphical industry. Also when Quark and Photoshop later was ported to Windows many people in the print and design industry still preferred Mac, due to it giving more precise and better output for the printing press. Also it was easier to use.
Not only that, Apple had much better hardware. In '91 when Adobe Photoshop got CMYK, Apple released Quadras, which were upgradable to 68M (700) and 256M (900) RAM. Also, previous year models IIfx and IIsi were upgradable to 128M and 65M of RAM. Now, this is important if we consider that one single CMYK bitmap, A4 size takes ~32M of RAM. Not to mention HiRes/Full Color graphics cards that were available for all of above models. And all Macs used SCSI, internally and externally, so taking bunch of files from place to place was a breeze.

With the rest I also agree completely, except "introduction of MacOS" You probably wanted to say OS X, first Mac OS was 7.5.1, AFAIR in early '95.
 
Also NeXTStep had display postscript as technology, which was pretty great for its time.
AFAIK, Sun was first who used PostScript to render everting on the screen in their NeWS (Network extensible Window System), from Oct '86. SGI had NeWS port named 4Sight in IRIX 3.0 from '88. Few other independent companies made ports for other platforms, but they were not very successful (Grasshopper made MacNeWS, TGV made X11/NeWS port for VMS to run on a VAXstation 2K, Ameristar for Amiga 2K, Acorn for their RISC OS, etc.)

NeXT decided to license from (and co-develop with) Adobe their simpler Display PostScript (DPS), they were first to use that tech ('87), DEC used it in DECWindows from '88, and in '93 with OpenWindows 3.3 Sun dropped NeWS PS in favor of DPS.

When Apple was porting NeXTSTEP and changed it into Mac OS X, they decided to make their display tech Quartz 2D based on PDF instead of PS. Practically everything that OS X displays on the screen is PDF, that's why was possible to save PDF without any conversion from all OS X apps.
 
Had SUN spun off their SPARC division into a separate company and added support for AMD64 too; they'd probably still be here. As good as SPARC was at the time (or still is?); the Linux/AMD64 alternative was much cheaper and more accessible. It practically dwarfed the architecture unfortunately. When your software/hardware is vertically integrated; there's only so much you can do for performance vs compatibility. Commodity SPARC CPUs would've been awesome though; and would give AMD64 a run for its money. Apple was smart in transitioning architecture dependency not once, but three times; avoiding a lot of those troubles in the market.

SUN software, on the other hand, was ahead of anything else in the market at the time. The FreeBSD Project was smart in inheriting all of the crown jewels. (ZFS, Dtrace, etc. - although we're just missing SMF :))
 
Had SUN spun off their SPARC division into a separate company and added support for AMD64 too; they'd probably still be here. As good as SPARC was at the time (or still is?); the Linux/AMD64 alternative was much cheaper and more accessible. It practically dwarfed the architecture unfortunately. When your software/hardware is vertically integrated; there's only so much you can do for performance vs compatibility. Commodity SPARC CPUs would've been awesome though; and would give AMD64 a run for its money. Apple was smart in transitioning architecture dependency not once, but three times; avoiding a lot of those troubles in the market.

SUN software, on the other hand, was ahead of anything else in the market at the time. The FreeBSD Project was smart in inheriting all of the crown jewels. (ZFS, Dtrace, etc. - although we're just missing SMF :))
I guess that same could be said about DEC Alpha&VMS. AFAIR reading about them, Alpha outperformed SPARC (but not in multithread), and they sold to Compaq just as dot-com bubble started to inflate rapidly. Probably they didn't see potential in that market, as DEC management was generally "blind", and it was exactly that market that made Unix, like a Sun, and Linux rise. DEC was too concentrated on their legacy business transactional and industrial applications markets, and neglected Internet, and Sun went all way in on Internet and Java as one lang for all applications and devices, not seeing real value that Java had with JavaEE replacing legacy Cobol in the business/financial domain.

AFAIK there is still around ~4-5K organizations that run VMS (and maybe more worldwide), because porting to anything else will be too costly and even worse, potentially (probably) unreliable, and VMS Software, Inc. (VSI) now thrives on them with their port of VMS to x86_64.
 
VMS lived on in a little product called windows-NT... :)
I posted about that in #62
DEC Alpha was fully supported by NT; MS had to pay ~$100Mil not to be sued, and to promise to maintain NT support for the Alpha processor. MS was forced to do that because Cutler and engineers who previously worked at DEC copied a lot of VMS features and almost whole MICA. It was Compaq who ditched NT for Alpha. Please see The Rest of the Story
 
And what if Microsoft hadn't bought Nokia? I want to buy non-smart phone with normal quality but it is impossible - smart or garbage.
 
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