So what is it? First they're not saying anything, then they're saying it's done to protect you?
They never said anything except 2 minutes before they removed my commit bit. They sent me a slightly longer version of what was in the commit message removing me.
Since then, many people have basically demanded to know what happened and portmgr flatly said they wouldn't provide it, citing concerns for my privacy.
You seem to miss the point some of us are trying to make: you're just as biased in all this. I don't have a reason to think you're lying (and I'm most certainly not insinuating that), but it is something I can't know for sure nor rule out. For the simple reason that you obviously feel wronged and you seem to fully put the blame on others.
I'm not missing it. I got it was said there's only one side.
As I said, that's not my fault and I've asked for there to be 2 sides.
And it's that last part which irks me, especially considering the given official statement that there had been multiple warnings. Something which you also hinted at yourself in another post (in another thread).
There was a big warning close to a year ago.
I've got the entire transcript. Someday I may post this a single read (a la Theo). We're not there yet.
With that incident there were 2-3 public items that were easily used against me. There was several non-public issues the core team refused to consider (because full story was not important to them). To point is, if somebody said, "Why was Marino reprimanded?", the team could justify it with those public writings.
Now, there is NOTHING public.
If there was, somebody would have reveal it, right? if not the core team?
And you have to take my word for it that there was nothing private either.
The COC is mainly about public image projection.
If COC is being cited, there should be obvious public misbehavior, no?
Problem is that I've been involved in many cases like this, but on a hobby / game level and in 95% of all the cases where the person who found themselves on the receiving end of a punishment the person feels wronged, claims the whole thing is a travesty, mentions unfair treatment and when you then look into the matter you suddenly notice that they have been cheating, that they had gained certain in-game things which can't be accounted for, etc, etc.
Sure. Besides the unverifiable statistic (95% of all statistics are made up on the spot).
I never claimed innocence.
I claimed, "What the hell are they talking about?".
When it's revealed, I'll respond to the accusation / evidence provided.
Of course you don't agree with this, but that doesn't automatically mean you're right.
Which applies even more to you, since you have less information than I have.
With that same reasoning I also can't be sure that the team was right. However, as I mentioned in another post, solely based on what I read and the - in my opinion - shown attitude I still can't say it came as a total surprise to me. And then you get into the regions "where there's smoke there's fire".
Stop guessing.
Until there is information, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Correction: it's how most professional staff and "admin teams" which have to deal out punishment "roll". Because this isn't a popularity contest. And getting outsiders involved will only result in just that: a popularity and/or pissing contest. And that will help no one.
FreeBSD has a special reputation.
How many people not involved right now claim that you're right and the team is wrong solely based on the fact that they know you and not this "authority team"? I think there are plenty, including those who probably won't even realize as much. "Good guy vs. bad team". Yet the problem is... There were rules, laid out, and those were crossed. That's the bottom line.
See above. Neither of us have information. This is about getting the information or more accurately, how this information is intentionally getting buried.
And although I'm not fully familiar with the exact "aftermath proceedings" myself I'm pretty sure that there are better ways to protest or encounter this than trying to rally an angry mob. Because that has never helped anyone out, maybe only a few individuals to work out their own personal agendas.
Now you are REALLY off-base because frankly I wasn't going to make any kind of waves. I was just going to leave. The mob was inevitable. I had nothing to do with it. This forum is the only place I'm providing information.
In the end I also think one should not forget that this whole endeavor is one huge voluntary effort. Which includes the staff team. You may not like what they did, but sometimes making such decisions is just part of the whole thing.
Your turn to be honest: You weren't pro-Marino before this happened and there's a bit of confirmation bias happening with you now?
for example: the whole thing evolves around you. You want to counter this, you want this, you say they're wrong. So far I haven't come across any posts where you involve others. What about those other maintainers you apparently crossed? I don't hear a word about that. I haven't read anything about you trying to reach out to them and try to fix whatever is broken. You may think there's no reason for that but the current situation seems to disagree. What better way to prove the team wrong than to involve those who you apparently crossed and get them on your side as well?
This is asinine. I didn't cross other maintainers, that's the point. I will gladly apologize and admit I'm wrong if evidence shows differently.
But I'm also convinced that there are better ways to fix and/or address this than to try and turn it into a popularity contest.
What do you mean by fix? There is zero chance that A) somebody admits they were wrong regarding me and B) I get offered a commit bit back. Then there is C) where is this embarrassing, so why would I want to come back? I'm just trying to clear my name.
Which is basically all I'm saying. If that makes me a lemming in your opinion then so be it.
So be it.
