Nope, he wrote "The Hunchback of Notre Dame".
Nope, he wrote "The Hunchback of Notre Dame".
What extra "code" is this, that has to be downloaded? I have to admit that I still don't understand why a phone's web page browser cannot be called a "web browser." A laptop browser is not the same thing as a desktop browser, but we still call it a web browser. What, again, makes the phone device so special?
HTML, images, CSS, Javascript - the web page that surrounds the raw data. The rendering instructions.
Sure, HTML, CSS, and JS are "code" -- i.e., computer languages, interpreted by web browsers. I've been writing in these languages for years. But isn't it still true that "phone browsers" also interpret and execute the same languages? How else would they render our web pages? Forgive my thick-headedness, but I must be missing some kind of semantic fine point in this whole argument. It just doesn't make sense to me.
I was replying specifically to the bit from astyle:
The browser downloads, for reading a newspaper I read, many megabytes for only displaying an article whose symbols make few hundreds of bytes.
But the design of web pages for the phone is completely different as for the PC. And this design is being imposed everywhere. Even if only the display is the difference, the effect is immense.
When not in "desktop mode", phone browsers tend to render sites in non-standard ways. Often damaging the look or requiring specific babysitting in the form of media tags.
In the 90s the page content that had to be delivered to Netscape's browsers was quite different than that delivered to Microsoft's Internet Explorer browser, but they were both still called "web browsers." I considered those display quirk differences to be much more technically burdensome than the formatting differences needed to display web content on a smaller sized display screen. Even in the 21st century I've had to do some browser sniffing in order to deal with different vendors' web browsers. Whereas Chrome, Firefox, Opera, and Safari have been fairly standards-compliant, Microsoft's browsers continue to be problematic, and in some ways the Edge browser is even more of a pain than Internet Explorer.
My argument is that the "development" is bringing the web browser and WWW to an end, you are concentrating too much on technical issues, so that you ignore the big picture.
There's a proliferation of rendering engines - there's Gecko by Mozilla, chromium by Google (and forked by Microsoft for Edge)... oh, and WebKit for Apple's Safari... and they all kind of need to take advantage of the underlying hardware. Standards help, but we still gotta keep up with the ever-evolving hardware and security issues.
yeah, and the browsers will be tasked with downloading and running that truckload every single friggin' time... because everybody wants to do it their way, rather than let someone else (IETF, W3C, etc) call the shots
But the deteriorating quality of Web-Sites is in large scale. The proliferation of Apps that take the work of the browser and WWW also. Perhaps we get soon such apps for Windows and Mac, eventually some apps also for linux, but for no other OS. And with the apps no web sites more for such services, like the new banks.
Such apps are already here: Maple/Mathematica/Matlab, Quicken, enterprise accounting apps, JMP, misc/orange3, devel/RStudio, and more... heck, even /bin/sh making use of /bin/fetch
Have you got any examples of what you mean by this?
Did some research, and got surprising results:
It is a potato computer and performs as such...
Hugo was president of Venezuela until his death around 2013.
I do it the W3C way...... because everybody wants to do it their way, rather than let someone else (IETF, W3C, etc) call the shots
Curious as to what the download size is for Mac OS. My file: /var/cache/pkg/firefox-107.0_2,2.pkg is only about 59 MB. I'm thinking Microsoft's Firefox download is small because they are only downloading a wrapper that goes around their own internal web browsing software. At least, that's the way it was with Internet Explorer before Edge came along.
