Also, I do appreciate the help, I've said this many times already. nobody said you needed to answer my post every single time, I mean don't get me wrong I really appreciate it and you've been right on with everything, But in all honesty, did it really need to be said that this is a long thread, I'm still fairly new to bsd, and setting up servers, and from what I understand mail is the hardest to get working, so I would expect a long thread, and who's to say that someone isn't reading this thread and taking from it, to help themselfs get it working? this thread covers more details then most of the articles I've read, and isn't the forum for everyone to talk and work together? Im sorry If you take offense to this post, but Im just trying to learn like the rest. Again, I do thank you for all the help and hope you will continue to help me but I felt this needed to be said as a person new to the OS and trying to get into the community and learn whatever I can about the systems. Some installation and configuration articles are so vague, the forum is the best place to learn.