Open Internet in decline according to Google court filing

ralphbsz said:
Free communication has always been a thorn in the side of authoritarian governments.
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The printing press eventually won...however thanks to the other invention which really changed the power landscape - gun powder.
Given the highly centralized nature of modern states - energy, water and food production, weapons, money and Internet (ISPs).
For real change, It will probably require invention of very powerful energy source usable by individuals/small groups - think force shield, energy weapons, AI defenses sensors and/or galactic engine...for escape :]
 
DanielBowman said:
It will probably require invention of very powerful energy source usable by individuals/small groups
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Sorry, I don't trust many of the "small groups" with such devices. In a normal state, the power of the state is in the hand of many, and it can be diverted and vetoed by even more inside. Power needs to be controlled, and the control needs to match the power.
 
drhowarddrfine said:
There's a difference between advocates of murder, terror and mayhem running a platform and everybody else.
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There is. But that is not the line the powers that be draw. Comparing the media around the world and what government messes in the news - some counties have some explaining to do. Fake news, anyone?
 
Crivens said:
In a normal state, the power of the state is in the hand of many, and it can be diverted and vetoed by even more inside. Power needs to be controlled, and the control needs to match the power.
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So grown up, and you believe in fairy tales. :)
In "normal" countries you are simply well fed and provided for.
And corruption is competently regulated for the average person.

All countries are a stable hierarchy with a powerful punitive-force and financial-banking subsystem.
You are at the bottom of the "food chain". You only have a "vote" (1 or 2 every few years) in the so-called "elections".
As soon as the chicken starts pecking from someone else's state trough, the chicken
will be packed up and sent to think on the island of St. Helena.
Read the theorist of anarchism Kropotkin.
 
Crivens said:
There is. But that is not the line the powers that be draw. Comparing the media around the world and what government messes in the news - some counties have some explaining to do. Fake news, anyone?
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Isn't fake news a good reason to regulate and monitor Internet? Just like the radio wave spectrum is?

And y'know, trying to hide from inconvenient truths is not unique to people in power. Rank-and-file people have inconvenient realities to hide from, as well, so they consume fake news with alarming alacrity so that they can hide from harsh reality of daily life around them.
 
Crivens said:
In a normal state, the power of the state is in the hand of many, and it can be diverted and vetoed by even more inside. Power needs to be controlled, and the control needs to match the power.
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I understood this to mean that, in large (democratic) states, less influence can be brought to bear on opponents due to the size of the population and the country. In small (even democratic) states, where everyone is connected to everyone it is much easier to do this and even to silence (or 'buy') anyone who would object to the decisions of those in power.
 
It means, the greater the power the more ducks have to get in a row to activate it. Imagine a nation where the head of state goes insane, what is in place to stop him from commiting huge atrocities using the power of the complete state? That power must be guarded by many. If that fails, bad things are going to happen.
 
Crivens said:
It means, the greater the power the more ducks have to get in a row to activate it. Imagine a nation where the head of state goes insane, what is in place to stop him from commiting huge atrocities using the power of the complete state? That power must be guarded by many. If that fails, bad things are going to happen.
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Lets not get carried away sir. So called "heads of state" are not in charge of anything in that state. They are just pr.
 
Crivens said:
Imagine a nation where the head of state goes insane, what is in place to stop him from commiting huge atrocities using the power of the complete state? That power must be guarded by many. If that fails, bad things are going to happen.
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No need to imagine anything, if world history is anything to go by.

MrBSD said:
Lets not get carried away sir. So called "heads of state" are not in charge of anything in that state. They are just pr.
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Nice to see some cooler heads in this thread.
 
Crivens said:
That power must be guarded by many. If that fails, bad things are going to happen.
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An example from life. NOT a fake. Told by former Russian mafia gangster Leonid Roytman.
In the 90s and early 2000s, the Russian mafia was the name given to everyone who lived on the territory of the former USSR.
He now lives in New York. He gave the interview on Seva Kaplan's YouTube channel. The gist is this: when this idiot was the head of the state security in Ukraine, he was the one who issued fake passports to hardened criminals to obtain Israeli citizenship.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valeriy_Heletey
Thus, the state agency itself sold foreign passports to the leaders of Ukrainian gangs for money so that they could escape abroad and not be sent to a pre-trial detention center by other criminals from state circles.
That's all. Everything is in the public domain. Shouldn't I be an anarchist after this? ;)
If anyone is interested in the interview itself (without censorship), look for the author mentioned above on the channel.
 
Crivens said:
Sorry, I don't trust many of the "small groups" with such devices. In a normal state, the power of the state is in the hand of many, and it can be diverted and vetoed by even more inside. Power needs to be controlled, and the control needs to match the power.
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That would be nice. You would need functioning Republic for that. Not majority, unable to cope with responsibility, voting for foxes. Who will turn it in to Feudalism i.e. a few families or tribes dominating the rest unable to resist, because their water might get turned off.
 
It is a real pleasure to read this thread, an open dialogue and sane opinions from all sides - mostly either being backed by optimism (how things should work out) and experience (disillusioned reality). Thank you - one of the reasons I ended up here and like FreeBSD, being without a government driven obedience to cancel and censor opinions or even contributors. Wait, am I now becoming naively optimistic as well? I hope not ;-)
 
jaubits said:
It is a real pleasure to read this thread, an open dialogue and sane opinions from all sides - mostly either being backed by optimism (how things should work out) and experience (disillusioned reality). Thank you - one of the reasons I ended up here and like FreeBSD, being without a government driven obedience to cancel and censor opinions or even contributors. Wait, am I now becoming naively optimistic as well? I hope not ;-)
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Its very simple actually. Everything sucks, and its only going to get worse.
 
When Eisenhower was making the cross-continental highway system, it was certainly not intended to the the stage for high-speed police chases, complete with guns, trucks carrying alcohol, noisy sirens, intoxicated drivers, 6-lane traffic jams and reporters after the next sensational story.

Most of the time, though, a road is a pretty boring place to be, just a way to get from point a to point b. Hollywood merely glorified and zoomed in on the occasional problems that roads do have. It's still nice when a road doesn't have tolls or potholes (both of which are a problem in Texas and New York).
 
Well that's the irony, isn't it? None of the monolithization, surveillancization and general sheepization of the internet was forced. No single body, or even group of bodies, combination of corporations, groups of corporations, governments or groups of governments, or all combined, was actually capable of enforcing any of it. Which was the magic of the internet to begin with.

What they were smart enough to figure out is that they really only had to ask.
 
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