On tipping.

Here, tipping culture per se doesn't exist. The staff is expected to earn the paycheck just like anyone else. And in a lot of bars and restaurants during the season, the regular pay is very high (and so is volume of work).

So if you're unable to tip, you just go out, be a silent and nice guest, order, eat, pay.

The staff here doesn't entertain guests and they are generally on the more cordial side.

We have a huge coffee / bar culture (about one per 100 inhabitants in my city) where people just want to sit down and talk to eachother. The bartender will pick up your order and serve you. Nagging them around for some kind of special service and then leaving few euros of tip really irks them because they work under a systematic routine. They are expected to take order in less than 30 secs.

What here comes in a form of a tip, is rounding up. Here you drop the money on your table and just leave. We're a secure country, apart of tourist hotspots, this is the norm (also the bartenders will pick up your regular order by themselves in just a few days of visits). You see where this is going - you sit down in a nice outside enviroment, nod to the bartender, he just brings your preferred order, you enjoy it, when you're done you leave money there and just leave. It is about the serenity of the experience not some 'service' shit where some young person is nagging you because the chief doesn't want to pay a proper salary.

Similar thing in restaurants - to keep everything neat you always leave rounded up paper money in the envelope. However if you do not wish to tip you can yourself stand up, go to the desk and tell them to pay entire thing by card.
 
Here, tipping culture per se doesn't exist. The staff is expected to earn the paycheck just like anyone else. And in a lot of bars and restaurants during the season, the regular pay is very high (and so is volume of work).

So if you're unable to tip, you just go out, be a silent and nice guest, order, eat, pay.

The staff here doesn't entertain guests and they are generally on the more cordial side.

We have a huge coffee / bar culture (about one per 100 inhabitants in my city) where people just want to sit down and talk to eachother. The bartender will pick up your order and serve you. Nagging them around for some kind of special service and then leaving few euros of tip really irks them because they work under a systematic routine. They are expected to take order in less than 30 secs.

What here comes in a form of a tip, is rounding up. Here you drop the money on your table and just leave. We're a secure country, apart of tourist hotspots, this is the norm (also the bartenders will pick up your regular order by themselves in just a few days of visits). You see where this is going - you sit down in a nice outside enviroment, nod to the bartender, he just brings your preferred order, you enjoy it, when you're done you leave money there and just leave. It is about the serenity of the experience not some 'service' shit where some young person is nagging you because the chief doesn't want to pay a proper salary.

Similar thing in restaurants - to keep everything neat you always leave rounded up paper money in the envelope. However if you do not wish to tip you can yourself stand up, go to the desk and tell them to pay entire thing by card.
Well, that depends on the local culture – I'm sure that everywhere in the Balkans and in the neighboring countries (like .hu) if one doesn't leave a tip that person will be considered not only as a scrooge but as an asshole and worst scumbag, not only by the staff but by everyone else present as well.

Different cultures, different rules 🤷‍♂️

Also, I almost never pay anywhere with a card, I prefer to draw from ATM closest to where I live, and then pay everywhere in cash.
Yes, we are still in the stone age, thank Goodness.
 
At some point, I may have to learn to pay with my phone. I do use cash when plastic is not an option - like when I buy a durian at the Hilo Farmers Market.
 
At some point, I may have to learn to pay with my phone. I do use cash when plastic is not an option - like when I buy a durian at the Hilo Farmers Market.
The reason why I prefer to pay in cash is not to leave a trace of even one honest commercial transaction like buying bread, coffee and sausages in one store, and then 10~15 mins later buying a beer and whiskey in another. I'm aware that all transactions can be traced back to me with rewinding store's CCTV monitoring cashiers, but .gov agencies will not gonna bother with that if you are not high value target, and commercial ad sellers will have nothing about your buying habits. The less commercials I see, the better.
 
The reason why I prefer to pay in cash is not to leave a trace of even one honest commercial transaction like buying bread, coffee and sausages in one store, and then 10~15 mins later buying a beer and whiskey in another. I'm aware that all transactions can be traced back to me with rewinding store's CCTV monitoring cashiers, but .gov agencies will not gonna bother with that if you are not high value target, and commercial ad sellers will have nothing about your buying habits. The less commercials I see, the better.
That logic applies to shopping on the Internet... CCTV only makes sense in cases of violence and armed assault. Timestamped visits by someone, yes. Tracking transactions - CCTV is no good for that. Cams powerful enough to read the value of cash used in a transaction - that is VERY expensive hardware that does not give a very good ROI if used as security cam... Store does keep track of transactions, true, but definitely NOT with CCTV... And there's lots more to debunk.
 
That logic applies to shopping on the Internet... CCTV only makes sense in cases of violence and armed assault. Timestamped visits by someone, yes. Tracking transactions - CCTV is no good for that. Cams powerful enough to read the value of cash used in a transaction - that is VERY expensive hardware that does not give a very good ROI if used as security cam... Store does keep track of transactions, true, but definitely NOT with CCTV... And there's lots more to debunk.
It depends on the system used.

Until some weeks ago I could have my sausages barcode issued at meat department in the local store where I usually buy (they have free grilling service for the meat bought at their store), pay at cashier, and when I come back to collect, wave my cashier slip to the their CCTV and leave this previously issued slip at cashier checkpoint as a proof that I'm not stealing anything while I'm carrying a bag with grilled stuff out without paying.

Now, they changed their method, one must pay on cashier WS first, and only then bring back meat back to the meats department for the grilling.

It takes me walk back through whole store back to the meats depart, while carrying bags with other stuff for which all already paid for all the way.

Not very customer friendly nor smart, but TBH I didn't except much better from Millennial's nor Gen-Z's getting into managers positions 👴 🤪
 
It depends on the system used.

Until some weeks ago I could have my sausages barcode issued at meat department in the local store where I usually buy (they have free grilling service for the meat bought at their store), pay at cashier, and when I come back to collect, wave my cashier slip to the their CCTV and leave this previously issued slip at cashier checkpoint as a proof that I'm not stealing anything while I'm carrying a bag with grilled stuff out without paying.

Now, they changed their method, one must pay on cashier WS first, and only then bring back meat back to the meats department for the grilling.

It takes me walk back through whole store back to the meats depart, while carrying bags with other stuff for which all already paid for all the way.

Not very customer friendly nor smart, but TBH I didn't except much better from Millennial's nor Gen-Z's getting into managers positions 👴 🤪
Back in the days of Soviet Union, I have memories of plenty confusing purchase procedure: 1. Make selection at display counter, and tell the sales staffer at that counter, wrap up 500 grams of this beef, please. 2. Walk away to join the line to the cashier (Usually in the next room) to pay for that stuff, get a "ticket". Those tickets were often barely legible, so cashiers often had to handwrite on top exactly what the ticket was for. Then, return, and join the line to the original display case/counter, to give your ticket, and claim the selection you made in step 1. No ticket? can't get the beef you just paid for! It was actually the same annoying story at pharmacies, sporting eqiupment, candy stores and bakeries. Surprisingly, places to buy clothes were a bit more intuitively organized, they were not a madhouse where a fight could break out if somebody messed up on the receipt along the way.

I hated shopping in places like that, so I'd get virtually everything either at a kiosk or a market stall or a vendor cart, even if it tended to cost a bit more. Just because the payment system was simpler, no cashier involved in the next room. Fortunately, American-style supermarkets did become more prevalent after the 1991 collapse, and paying for stuff did become easier to keep track of.

But man, free grilling of the meat? I think that practice is unheard of in the US or the Soviet Union, for that matter. 😲
 
There is no man in a back room somewhere watching every move you make. I wouldn't and don't worry about it.
No, there are automated systems which try to find "patterns" and try to do pre-crime. These have bugs and trigger the round-hole-square-peg mode in officials. That is then problem two. Buttle, Tuttle, what's the difference?
A coworker once had the homicide unit in his house asking questions about the murder in the redlight district and he denied to have ever been there. That's ground for suspicion when they have "proof" of him having been there at that time. Turns out, the highway is next to that place and he was driving home from work at that time - and his phone had been connected to the cell tower in that district. And suddenly you have to explain to the wife what you were doing there before comming home. These things screw up a lot, and it's best not to recognized by them so you don't become colateral.

astyle I heard about that absurd procedure. It will be even better if you get payed in products the company makes, and you get payment in f.e. car tires or cups or ...
 
Someone I know had an idea for developing a software system to handle large deliveries for companies. So he signed up to deliver for Amazon. He tried to get me interested in helping so I went along for a few deliveries to see how that worked.

With Amazon, drivers have to take pictures of the deliveries so the customer can see where their packages are left but also it gives them a date/time/location stamp on the image if any situations arise. Sometimes the customer was there at the delivery. I was somewhat surprised by how many people feared having their face in the picture as if someone back at Amazon or the CIA was going to look at their image among the millions of images that get taken every day as if they are that important to daily life.

It made me laugh.
 
A coworker once had the homicide unit in his house asking questions about the murder in the redlight district and he denied to have ever been there. That's ground for suspicion when they have "proof" of him having been there at that time. Turns out, the highway is next to that place and he was driving home from work at that time - and his phone had been connected to the cell tower in that district. And suddenly you have to explain to the wife what you were doing there before comming home. These things screw up a lot, and it's best not to recognized by them so you don't become colateral.
This is on top of people tweeting about a really nice sandwich or taking pictures and uploading them to the cloud... Maybe check the highway cameras next time, as well? But yeah, this can be chalked up to over-eager law enforcement...
 
Well, that depends on the local culture – I'm sure that everywhere in the Balkans and in the neighboring countries (like .hu) if one doesn't leave a tip that person will be considered not only as a scrooge but as an asshole and worst scumbag, not only by the staff but by everyone else present as well.

Different cultures, different rules 🤷‍♂️

Also, I almost never pay anywhere with a card, I prefer to draw from ATM closest to where I live, and then pay everywhere in cash.
Yes, we are still in the stone age, thank Goodness.

There is a bit of difference between Split and Belgrade when it comes to this, although the "cultural difference" between us is greatly, greatly exaggerated by local politics narrative. (mentioning Belgrade because I was there few months ago)

We do coffee differently and that's probably one of a dozen small differences in daily life and that would be it.

The point of coffee in Split is not about the bar but about the coffee and the sun. I really find it weird people cannot understand everyone gets the same type of fast service and the customer is expected not to complicate with orders and browse around the catalogue while the bartender is standing there.

Let me give you direct example - in our company we have a number of coffee machines and several types of good coffee. I prefer using the bar-type machine with high pressure. The coffee is excellent. 50 meters from the company there is a great rock and roll type bar. We go there each day for work pause for the environment. Inside those 50 meters from the company, are total of 9 different bars, and it isn't some sort of bar-garden-building, it is just that we have about 1 bar per 100 per capita here. So actually picking out a bar as 'your own' is a win for them.

So instead of myself filling the coffee machine and getting same level of quality for free, I pay 2.6* euro for a regular espresso, and somebody else to do it, and bring it about 5-10 meters and put it down on the table.

*regularly rounded up for our convenience of fast exit. Today we left 10 eur bill for 9.10 amount charged. Just drop money and go.

This is really basic service. Do you tip people at the trafika (small convenience store) or book store or computer store?
 
Regarding payment I'm on digital from long long ago. It will soon be 20 years.
Croatia's former currency was tied to Euro since early 00s and laws demanding companies pay salaries to declared bank accounts only made physical money less convenient than in other places.

Therefore the bank knows how much I make and how much I spend. They know where I spend it directly if I move money digitally and they know I spent the money if I draw it from ATM.

This would all be fine if we had any kind of relevant domestic-owned bank.
The no physical money paycheck is a noble law that prevented mass fraud of workers in the country. Literally, the company would pay benefits as declared but give people less net salary than declared or delay completely. Even worse, if you had a high paying job you would be declared as lower grade and get the difference as cash handout.

However it tied the basic human right of work to some arbitrary foreign bank we have no control of. For example, they charge some amount of few up to dozens of euros to "manage your account" each month (a stupidity tax) and if you wish to work you need to have a bank account. This is bullshit and bank should profit solely from having the volume of paychecks under their system, not charge additionally for something that is tied to a basic human right.
 
Bank of America and Wells Fargo (two big, well-known banks in US) have fees attached to a surprisingly wide variety of transactions. That does have the clientele pissed and shopping around for lower fees or no-fee shops. And the government doesn't want to really step into that, and instead, leaves it to the market effect to bite back. And that's just in "Land of the Free, Home of the Brave". "Free" as in, "Free to nickel-and-dime the rank-and-file working class", and "Brave" as in "Brave enough to actually shop around for better service in circumstances like this". 👿
 
Bank of America and Wells Fargo (two big, well-known banks in US) have fees attached to a surprisingly wide variety of transactions.
Those banks have excessive fees, yet they overcharge and falsely charge. Yet, they can't pay their employees. Bank of America doesn't even provide basic services at their locations, which credit unions and other banks provide. You have to call on the phone to get those services, which it would be much easier to go to the bank, and pay the money for it to go to the financial service. That's what banks are supposed to do. I'm not talking about small banks and credit unions, where services aren't all at one booth, because at least there, you can get your banking needs taken care of on that campus.

Chase is much better than Bank of America, because Bank of America outright cheats on payments and doesn't register made payments. At least Chase is honest enough on that. Their overcharging on interest is a scam though.

Unless those banks overtook your bank through a hostile takeover, there's no reason to use them. I believe it was Chase (or was it Bank of America, I'm definitely sure it was one of those two) which took over Washington Mutual. None of those big banks are any good. Washington Mutual was good, but it got taken over.
 
There is a bit of difference between Split and Belgrade when it comes to this, although the "cultural difference" between us is greatly, greatly exaggerated by local politics narrative. (mentioning Belgrade because I was there few months ago)

We do coffee differently and that's probably one of a dozen small differences in daily life and that would be it.

The point of coffee in Split is not about the bar but about the coffee and the sun. I really find it weird people cannot understand everyone gets the same type of fast service and the customer is expected not to complicate with orders and browse around the catalogue while the bartender is standing there.

Let me give you direct example - in our company we have a number of coffee machines and several types of good coffee. I prefer using the bar-type machine with high pressure. The coffee is excellent. 50 meters from the company there is a great rock and roll type bar. We go there each day for work pause for the environment. Inside those 50 meters from the company, are total of 9 different bars, and it isn't some sort of bar-garden-building, it is just that we have about 1 bar per 100 per capita here. So actually picking out a bar as 'your own' is a win for them.

So instead of myself filling the coffee machine and getting same level of quality for free, I pay 2.6* euro for a regular espresso, and somebody else to do it, and bring it about 5-10 meters and put it down on the table.

*regularly rounded up for our convenience of fast exit. Today we left 10 eur bill for 9.10 amount charged. Just drop money and go.

This is really basic service. Do you tip people at the trafika (small convenience store) or book store or computer store?
Hey, I didn't know that you are from Velo Misto 😉, when you said
Here, tipping culture per se doesn't exist. The staff is expected to earn the paycheck just like anyone else.
I honestly thought that you are living in .ch or .jp or somewhere similar where tipping culture is completely different, sorry 🤷‍♂️

I was only once in Split, sometime around ~'86||'87, but cousins we were visiting insisted on paying for all, so IDK about tipping there. What I do remember though, is that Split had most amazingly beautiful girls that I ever saw in any city. I hope that didn't change 😎

But what I do know quite well - I was spending three months every summer in Prvić Luka because my grandma was from there (until SHTF in the '90s; and also, I knew my ways around Šibenik and Vodice), that tipping was the norm back then. Close kin of mine had a caffè in Luka and girls working there were his daughters, yet I tipped every time; even if I had free drink from them, I'll leave a tip, as a sign of respect.
 
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This topic has generated some very interesting discussions. Ones that I would not have anticipated.
I'm in US, but have read enough to understand that the tipping culture is not universal. I'm good with that, if a server is paid according to their worth to the business, I'm good as long as they do their job professionally. We don't tip the SW engineer because he's getting paid according to his worth to the company.
In Food, perhaps that means the menu price is higher: tipping, menu price $20, tip 15% to 20% total price $23 to $24. Now if the no tipping price is the same, the consumer is out for the same price. But can tipping motivate a server to do better? Maybe, but I've also seen servers demotivated because "they never tip".

Bottom line for me is business is paying someone $X/hour expecting to get at least $X/hour in value from that someone. Business gets $X+13% in value from that person? Give them a raise or have better margin.
US tipping? I think most states are "employers must make base pay plus tips be at least minimum wage" and there are a lot of US states that have state minimum greater than Federal minimum. I think the most I saw was state minimum of $16.50/hour against Federal of $7.25.

Basic math says if Government says I MUST pay my employees at least $X/hour every employee needs to generate at least $X/hour in value.
Raising prices I think "you can raise to a point and maintain the sales, too high and sales fall. If higher price times lower sales is greater than lower price and higher sales" you are ahead. But raise prices too high and sales do an inverse impulse function to zero and you have no revenue.
 
if one doesn't leave a tip that person will be considered not only as a scrooge but as an asshole and worst scumbag, not only by the staff but by everyone else present as well.

Different cultures, different rules 🤷‍♂️

Also, I almost never pay anywhere with a card, I prefer to draw from ATM closest to where I live, and then pay everywhere in cash.
If I enjoyed a meal I would sooner tip the person who prepared it than the person who carried it over to me. These days "service charge" is often included in the bill or there is a tip box to be shared among all staff, but I can't be sure the staff receive all of it. Otherwise, I just follow the local practice.

I prefer paying by cash because if no one uses cash anymore then banks will stop issuing it. Then when the network is down (which does happen) I would not be able to buy food or pay for anything. Another reason for paying by cash is so that banks cannot sell my shopping history to data brokers. Not that I worry a lot, it's just second nature.
 
If I enjoyed a meal I would sooner tip the person who prepared it than the person who carried it over to me. These days "service charge" is often included in the bill or there is a tip box to be shared among all staff, but I can't be sure the staff receive all of it. Otherwise, I just follow the local practice.

I prefer paying by cash because if no one uses cash anymore then banks will stop issuing it. Then when the network is down (which does happen) I would not be able to buy food or pay for anything. Another reason for paying by cash is so that banks cannot sell my shopping history to data brokers. Not that I worry a lot, it's just second nature.
There have been more than a few cases where people had CC skimmed at a restaurant. I do cash when eating out. Wife asked why. I said security. She didn't understand. 2 days later on news "Restaurant found skimming CC" she turned to me and said "Oh. Now I get it".

Tips: server/cook/everyone else. From my understanding the norm is for server to split tip between front of house (hostess), back of house (cook/buser) and server but should not be split with management. I think each place is different (not mandated split, but house rules) but to me the tip is based on the overall experience. I don't care if the cook is 60% of that, service 35% and bussing 5%, that's on them to figure out. If the overall experience is bad, my tip is less which means everyone contributing gets less.

I really don't know what is better: no tipping with higher menu prices with non guaranteed service or lower menu prices, tipping based on "how I feel" with hope that service may be better to get a better tip.
 
There have been more than a few cases where people had CC skimmed at a restaurant. I do cash when eating out. Wife asked why. I said security. She didn't understand. 2 days later on news "Restaurant found skimming CC" she turned to me and said "Oh. Now I get it".

The US is also the last Western country where restaurants physically carry your credit card away from you.

Even in Canada they use mobile CC readers that they bring to th table.
 
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