Microsoft Is Said to Have Agreed to Acquire Coding Site GitHub

Are there not quite a lot of sloppy tools that grab things from GitHub as needed? Things like Docker, NPM (when it needs to build native code), PIP, Ruby-gems, Rust Cargo, etc. I think even some ports collections use GitHub don't they? Pacman, etc.

Something just seems wrong about Microsoft being the back-end for all of them. However I cannot see the developers of these kind of things changing.

Personally I always avoided that haphazard crap and kept dependencies quite clean in my own software. I keep finding new benefits to that.

I am quite interested to find out who the next "web kiddies dependency dump" platform of choice is going to be next. My guess is BitBucket because for some reason people love Atlassian, proprietary Git client and their DRM.
 
Crivens said:
And that might be why they financed SCO and Icaza, simply to stir the water and blow the wind of change into the ecosystem. Because serious developers hate that.
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Thats quite interesting as an idea. I notice that FOSS has not had a stable desktop environment for many, many years now, it keeps changing so users can not rely on it. Perhaps Microsoft is having a hand in that too? I always thought it was suspicious how Mono got into Gnome so damn quickly and so damn pointlessly with that tiny note taking program (Tomboy).
Perhaps Lennart Poettering with his pointless init changes is also on the Microsoft payroll. This must mean that RedHat is in on it ;)

That would be such a fantastic strategy by Microsoft. Keep FOSS such a moving target that it is practically unusable! I mean for many Linux distros, it is already pretty much there. Things like ifconfig, etc are all swapped out.
 
As we said while wearing the green: once is shit happens, twice is bad luck. Thrice is enemy action.
 
shkhln said:
Are we still on the FreeBSD support forum? As long the process of a large corporation screwing their customers doesn't involve this OS it's totally ok with me. Besides, I'm having trouble imagining how exactly MS would ruin a glorified file hosting.
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Come on, you fairly know why Microsoft wants GITHUB


Let's take over the World !!
 
ralphbsz said:
On the other hand, I've had my credit card number stolen frequently (it happens roughly once every year or two). In the few cases where I was able to track back (roughly) where it happened, the fault never lied with Microsoft, Apple, Google, Amazon, IBM, HP, or any company like that. Not even with Visa, Mastercard, or AmericanExpress. But with little gas stations, restaurants and stores whose gas pumps have been modified to steal credit card numbers.
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Ups. Never had such, and I'd think it is extremely stupid if some restaurant or whatever would do that - because they must expect that somebody might get pissed and might send their Russians for arguing.
Those cases my credit card data was stolen, we could track it all down to Expedia.
 
PMc said:
Ups. Never had such, and I'd think it is extremely stupid if some restaurant or whatever would do that - because they must expect that somebody might get pissed and might send their Russians for arguing.
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It probably wasn't the restaurant itself who did the tampering - probably some criminals managed to swap the payment card terminals with one who was already modified to be evil. It's like with the skimming - first they did ATM's - the ATM's soon got enough anti-tampering tech so that the machine would shut down if tampered with. Then they moved on to payment card terminals on (automated) gas stations, which resulted in that those got anti-tampering tech installed. And so the criminals has to go look elsewhere. Or simply con people into giving them money.
 
tingo said:
It probably wasn't the restaurant itself who did the tampering - probably some criminals managed to swap the payment card terminals with one who was already modified to be evil. It's like with the skimming - first they did ATM's - the ATM's soon got enough anti-tampering tech so that the machine would shut down if tampered with. Then they moved on to payment card terminals on (automated) gas stations, which resulted in that those got anti-tampering tech installed. And so the criminals has to go look elsewhere. Or simply con people into giving them money.
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good luck
 
The only way a restaurant's card swipe can be affected is if it was an inside job. The unit's are small and sit right in front of the cashier. Since the units must be taken apart to some degree to accomplish the hardware swap, it couldn't happen without someone noticing it.
 
You could say the same about a convenience store. Guess what, one summer they discovered that a couple of convenience stores here in Norway had the flaw that customer's cards got skimmed. They found out that the card payment terminal was compromised, and of course suspected the employees. It wasn't until they checked the surveillance videos that they found out that a criminal managed to hide above the false roof during opening hours, wait until the shop was closed, do the hardware swap, hide and wait until the shop opened, then disappear. It was in the news here, with still pictures from the video and all.
 
tingo said:
a criminal managed to hide above the false roof during opening hours
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In fact, this is the reason the only place we do not have false ceilings in our restaurants is in the bathrooms. Rarely, someone goes into ours and uses it as a bathhouse, usually homeless people.
 
Don't switch on the auto blame switch in your brain when hearing anything Microsoft. I've read enough nonsenses on Phoronix Site where is full of brainless pro-GNU Communists :)
 
roddierod said:
Looks like Github in the enterprise...is the MS angle:
https://redmondmag.com/blogs/scott-bekker/2018/06/microsoft-acquires-github.aspx
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Somehow, I am no surprised that it happened. Linux, BSD, open source development,... are the easiest target from large Microsoft company. Microsoft, Apple and Google use the opensource community contributions, and can then make money.
Best example is Google, really, what is the contribution of Google, instead of locking user into a web-hosted-world. You never really own your data, just drop them on Google drives ;) First Android setup is to create a cloud / email Google account. Similar approach for Microsoft tablets, Apple (better CB card number),...

But people still buy more and more those tablets, clouds, phones,... no one really seems to avoid buying it.

Is there any chance to get a purely free, open, clean, bloat-less, reliable,... another GITHUB-like server/project host for just BSD ??
 
I can only (again) point at fossil, which is also a distributed VCS and which already comes with a web frontend, wiki and ticket system - all in the same repository. So you can open a ticket, fix the bug, document in the wiki and close the bug ticket while on the train and then sync all this to the office master later.
 
Spartrekus said:
Best example is Google, really, what is the contribution of Google, instead of locking user into a web-hosted-world. You never really own your data, just drop them on Google drives ;) First Android setup is to create a cloud / email Google account. Similar approach for Microsoft tablets, Apple (better CB card number),...

But people still buy more and more those tablets, clouds, phones,... no one really seems to avoid buying it.
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You're surprized? Well then... think!

Is there any chance to get a purely free, open, clean, bloat-less, reliable,... another GITHUB-like server/project host for just BSD ??
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Think further. Think on a wider timescale.

There once was a thing called industrial revolution. And this is when big corporations first came into being. They didn't exist before.
And why did they come into being? Because you cannot practically build your washing machine on your own. Everybody know that - but what is much more important and rarely considered is: up to the beginning of the industrial age an average person was almost never confronted with anything they would not know how to build themselves.
This is the actual impact of the industrial age - not the impact on economics or social life, but on the mind: the average person was no longer in control of their life. (Everything else, all the stuff the historians and the economics and social science people talk about, is, in my understanding, only a consequence of this).

So, when I first learned about the Internet, and I understood that by design on the Internet all participants are equal, I thought that this would give us back a great deal of autonomy: We still need the big corporations to build the VLSI dies, but everything above, everything software can be set up anywhere, by anybody.

It seems I was horribly wrong. It seems people do not want to be in charge. People buy the gadgets because they do not want to know what they are doing. The hardware business is mostly dead (see IBM), and the consequence should be that big corporations would be mostly dead - but the opposite is true: on the stock market they are valued higher than ever.
But what is the inherent value, what is the product?
 
So the value is belief, and there is no product?[1] And this is what the future of our economics is built upon? Well then... we're back in feudalism. Hail Eris!

[1] or maybe rather: the product is believe and there is no value?
 
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PMc said:
It seems I was horribly wrong. It seems people do not want to be in charge. People buy the gadgets because they do not want to know what they are doing.
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The people you are talking about are those looking for convenience. They don't want to be in charge of all this. That's why they're willing to pay money for these services. If they had to do everything necessary for those services to work on their own, they wouldn't do it.
 
PMc said:
You're surprized? Well then... think!



Think further. Think on a wider timescale.

There once was a thing called industrial revolution. And this is when big corporations first came into being. They didn't exist before.
And why did they come into being? Because you cannot practically build your washing machine on your own. Everybody know that - but what is much more important and rarely considered is: up to the beginning of the industrial age an average person was almost never confronted with anything they would not know how to build themselves.
This is the actual impact of the industrial age - not the impact on economics or social life, but on the mind: the average person was no longer in control of their life. (Everything else, all the stuff the historians and the economics and social science people talk about, is, in my understanding, only a consequence of this).

So, when I first learned about the Internet, and I understood that by design on the Internet all participants are equal, I thought that this would give us back a great deal of autonomy: We still need the big corporations to build the VLSI dies, but everything above, everything software can be set up anywhere, by anybody.

It seems I was horribly wrong. It seems people do not want to be in charge. People buy the gadgets because they do not want to know what they are doing. The hardware business is mostly dead (see IBM), and the consequence should be that big corporations would be mostly dead - but the opposite is true: on the stock market they are valued higher than ever.
But what is the inherent value, what is the product?
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Basically it is likely due to a level of skills or education that could have decreased? People know less how to configure their hardware/software to work according to their needs, since they don't know they believe in Apple, Microsoft, and Google? (taking advantages of it).
 
I have one project on GitHub which I considered moving although I'll probably leave it there for the time being. I also use the ports GitHub source option which I'd have to find an alternative for.

I'm not a big fan of Microsoft since Nadella though. They lost out to Google/Facebook/Amazon under Ballmer and it's clear that the primary focus since is heavily on trying to tie people into Microsoft accounts and push customers towards their cloud services. They want to be a company with x {mb}illion active users, either as subscription customers or targets of data collection and advertising, or both, rather than just a software provider. Personally I'd prefer a version of Windows that was just as OS like it used to be, rather than trying to tie every single feature into their cloud. You can't even activate an OEM copy of Office without a Microsoft account anymore (right PITA when you're installing for a customer). The free 10 upgrades and forced updates are in part because a primary function of Windows these days is to push their cloud services, and obviously if people aren't running a version that includes those cloud features, they aren't going to use them.

I assume at a minimum the following things with be phased in. Some have pretty much been confirmed -
  1. Support for Microsoft accounts. Almost a certainty. I (hopefully) doubt they will scrap the existing account system as it would cause havok and push a huge number of people away. I'll be intrigued to see if they continue to allow GitHub accounts for new users though, or force people to use a Microsoft account. The obvious benefit for users would be that you can log into Windows with your Microsoft account (which is heavily pushed vs local accounts these days), open VS and already have access to all your code without needing to provide any GitHub details. This, as with the Microsoft account push everywhere else, helps push people towards the Microsoft ecosystem and tie them in.
  2. Improved integration with VS. I haven't used Visual Studio for a long time but I assume they either provide a subscription service for it already, or will soon, and it will be pushed as the best way to develop open source software with the best GitHub integration.
  3. Pushing Azure for testing, CI, hosting of applications developed on GitHub. I don't use any advanced GitHub features like the automated testing but I expect they'll come up with a lot of reasons for the bigger GitHub customers to make use of Azure services.
 
First, I think Google is more evil than Microsoft today. People kept the bad impressions of the past about Microsoft and couldn't see how they changed now. IMHO, it's nothing wrong or worse for Microsoft to bought GitHub. I fear FOSS paranoid more than that, IT-Communists - I would call them, are basically braindead (or brainwashed) like real life Communists in my country and many country infected by them. Or perhaps a core team was paid by the big player to attack the others and a vast brainwashed teens didn't understand anything but follow the trend to feel like pro (like the online warriors force in my country, they directly paid by the Communist Party, using people's taxes to shut people's mouth up?) ;)

Might be Microsoft will convert the whole Github system from AWS to Azure, I hate Amazon, they're evil. It'll be a good thing.
 
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